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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| I wonder how many people watch the daily show. |
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xingyiman
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| CNN, HLN and MSNBC are all sort of the same variety so they share that market while Fox news has a monopoly for the "fringe". |
Since when did the majority of viewers become a fringe? CNN and the others have leaned left for all the years they've been in business. Yes FOX news is as far right as the others are left. There is no middle ground and that's whats wrong with American journalism. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Fox News killing all in ratings. CNN 4th |
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| .....For the month, CNN averaged 202,000 viewers between the ages of 25 and 54 � the group that television news organizations use as their basis of success because of their advertising sales. That was far behind the dominant leader, Fox News, which averaged 689,000. But it also trailed MSNBC, which had 250,000 viewers in that group and HLN, which had 221,000..... |
out of a nation of 300 million!!!!!!!!!!!! so basically, very few people watch Fox News and even less in America watch CNN (I'm sure CNN's International station has millions of viewers) |
I believe that has to do with the portion of the sample taken to determine the rankings. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I watch both, but I'll tell you something -- Fox's website is far superior to CNN these days. Especially in the video area. What I like about Fox is that I can plug my laptop base into my TV and basically watch an entire newscast streaming one story after another full screen. Just like cable TV, only at 15fps. With CNN, I have to physically click to play each show, and many of them won't play properly.
These days, the only thing I like on CNN are Jeanne Moos's stories, anyway.
Fox sure has the mainstream media's number on this recent Muslim soldier/murderer story, though. It's pretty amazing how obviously they've attempted to avoid highlighting the Muslim connection to this for PC reasons. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Why do people have this fetish for unbiased journalism? People assume that unbiased equals good. In the days when there were many partisan papers all making arguments from their perspective, a heartier public sphere existed. There wasn't mere information. There was a conversation of ideas.
When done intelligently partisan journalism is a wonderful thing. That of course has nothing to do with modern television news which is crap universally.
In answer to the question about how the leading cable news channel can be fringe the answer is simple and was already pointed out. You are talking about less than one half of 1% of the American population that watch it. Since 99.5% of Americans don't watch Fox news that clearly makes those who watch Fox news a fringe minority. Deal. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
| Since 99.5% of Americans don't watch Fox news that clearly makes those who watch Fox news a fringe minority. Deal. |
Again, please read my above post. It's a representative sample.
By the way, there aren't little boxes in televisions that accurately tell how many total people are watching. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
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| Since 99.5% of Americans don't watch Fox news that clearly makes those who watch Fox news a fringe minority. Deal. |
Again, please read my above post. It's a representative sample.
By the way, there aren't little boxes in televisions that accurately tell how many total people are watching. |
I read the above posts and found nothing insightful, interesting or informative in them. Do you ask me to read trivial banality to waste my time on purpose or because you don't know the difference? |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
Why do people have this fetish for unbiased journalism? People assume that unbiased equals good. In the days when there were many partisan papers all making arguments from their perspective, a heartier public sphere existed. There wasn't mere information. There was a conversation of ideas.
When done intelligently partisan journalism is a wonderful thing. That of course has nothing to do with modern television news which is crap universally.
In answer to the question about how the leading cable news channel can be fringe the answer is simple and was already pointed out. You are talking about less than one half of 1% of the American population that watch it. Since 99.5% of Americans don't watch Fox news that clearly makes those who watch Fox news a fringe minority. Deal. |
There's a difference between having a bias, contradicting yourself with every "news"cast and stating outright lies. |
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kiknkorea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
| Why do people have this fetish for unbiased journalism? |
 Ask someone from China or North Korea about this.
When I read or watch news, I like knowing the facts about what happened before I hear anyones opinion on it.
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| When done intelligently partisan journalism is a wonderful thing. |
Absolutely. Opinions are wonderful in their proper context. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| kiknkorea wrote: |
| AmericanExile wrote: |
| Why do people have this fetish for unbiased journalism? |
Ask someone from China or North Korea about this.
When I read or watch news, I like knowing the facts about what happened before I hear anyones opinion on it.
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| When done intelligently partisan journalism is a wonderful thing. |
Absolutely. Opinions are wonderful in their proper context. |
You are working from flawed assumptions. 1) Impartial press is fact based. 2) Partisan press is opinion based. 3) Partisan press is somehow related to propaganda. 4) There is a single source of or manipulated uniform information.
Good partisan papers of the past were very much fact based. If you read two or three you were much better informed than you would be today because you got a wide spread of facts and perspectives from which to sift information. If you read one paper today you get limited information because no source has the space to give all the facts. If you read more you are likely to get mostly the same facts because everyone is trying to present the most important facts (however they judge that) which means that most outlets present largely the same information. I summarize from journaled articles from poly sci which argue that the American electorate was better informed in the days of partisan press. Not everyone agrees
Most importantly, the bias of partisan press was well known. You knew to be critical and in what way. Today people like you think you are being given information without opinion, so you aren't critical of the information presented. That is deeply problematic. Impartial, unbiased press is neither impartial or unbiased. It hides perspective in that most insidious linguistic turn of merely presenting the facts, the truth, reality. However, every single report from every single media source makes an argument. All press attempts persuasion. So which is better the outlet that is honest about its perspective or the outlet that pretends not to have one?
The problem with China and North Korea isn't partisan press. It is limitation of press and information. Partisan press works because it is multi-sourced. What one source wishes to hide another is eager to publish.
Partisan press is no more related to propaganda than impartial press.
Partisan press has been demonized. Impartial press has been lionized. Arguments can be made for both press models. You could choose either rationally. So why is partisan press believed to be bad while impartial press is seen as an obvious pure good? Who does that benefit? This question is very interesting to me because that the only substantial difference is that impartial press promotes a deficit of critical thinking. |
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catman
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According to former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan the White House routinely gave Fox news "talking points" on key issues.
I just wonder if they still take "talking points" from the Republican Party? |
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oskinny1
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
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| CNN, HLN and MSNBC are all sort of the same variety so they share that market while Fox news has a monopoly for the "fringe". |
Since when did the majority of viewers become a fringe? CNN and the others have leaned left for all the years they've been in business. Yes FOX news is as far right as the others are left. There is no middle ground and that's whats wrong with American journalism. |
I said that Fox has a monopoly. When you can only get one station that gives the news the way you want to hear it, it may look like you are the majority because you have a large market share, but there are so many other media outlets that aren't taken into account that are more to the center and watched by more people.
MSNBC is left, but FOX is far far right, just look at their 2 poster boys Beck and O'Reilly. |
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Troutslayer
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| MSNBC is left, but FOX is far far right, just look at their 2 poster boys Beck and O'Reilly. |
Mindless, bandwagon gibberish.
Well, Beck...perhaps.
But, Oreilly? Are you just trying to sound cool and appear as if you have something to say? Have you even watched Oreilly?
Get off it man. I mean, you ARE entitled to your opinions but...........the majority of people who say "Bech this...Oreilly that" really don't know what they are talking about.........smoke and mirrors.
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
| CNN, HLN and MSNBC are all sort of the same variety so they share that market while Fox news has a monopoly for the "fringe". |
Since when did the majority of viewers become a fringe? CNN and the others have leaned left for all the years they've been in business. Yes FOX news is as far right as the others are left. There is no middle ground and that's whats wrong with American journalism. |
I said that Fox has a monopoly. When you can only get one station that gives the news the way you want to hear it, it may look like you are the majority because you have a large market share, but there are so many other media outlets that aren't taken into account that are more to the center and watched by more people.
MSNBC is left, but FOX is far far right, just look at their 2 poster boys Beck and O'Reilly. |
How can Fox have a monopoly? I can turn on the TV or surf the web and get CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc... Many people are turning away from the liberal outlets because they have been harping on the same things for so long. Eventually the same thing may happen to Fox news who knows? It's not like FOX is shutting out the other networks, they are simply losing in the ratings category, pehaps because there are more conservative minded people out there than you are giving credit for. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox news is no less reliable than CNN or the NYT. |
Yes it is.
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| It just depends which point of view you hold, and therefore which "facts" you choose to question and those you swallow with the rest of the bull that is shoveled your way. |
No it doesn't. Fox News is objectively less honest and objectively more deceptive.
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| I prefer Fox News. |
Of course you do, which is why you're trying to equate other news organizations with your network of systematic lies and distortions. And it's no mistake that defenders of Fox News never actually defend Fox News, they just try to condemn other networks as being "Just as bad." Even Fox News viewers can't ignore how fraudulent Fox's reporting style is, so instead, they try to construe other news organizations as worse than they are.
Every news network errors occasionally on the facts, and every news network is at least somewhat affected by bias. Fox News goes beyond that, though, into the realm of intentional, propaganda-driven lying, and the intentional division of our society for political and economic gain. |
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