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[ontheway]

The House has narrowly passed the Socialized Health Care Bill that would destroy not only the best health care system in the world that all the other socialized systems depend upon, but would contribute to the final collapse of the US economy and the US government.

This narrow victory could only happen now. It would not have been possible in any previous year, nor will it be possible to repeat this vote in 2010 during the Houses elections, nor thereafter when the Dems lose a large number of seats.

The Senate may still kill this evil legislation. 41 Senators can stop it.

In any case, to preserve Liberty, no bill should be allowed to become law without at least a 7/8 vote of both houses. This would guarantee that only those laws that were truly in the national interest would become law.

[hobakmorinam]

What's so evil about it?



Isn't it more evil to let people die becuase they can't afford medicine? Rather, they cant afford the prices big pharm,with their 14 year patents charge, have decided to charge.



Isn't it more evil to say, "You must have car insurance, your vehicle is important." Then completely ignore health care?


It won't be health care that willk "contribute to the collapse of the US economy and government". It will be unchecked corporate looting of big pharma and others.

[asylum seeker]

[Summer Wine]

Quote:

the best health care system in the world

Yeah, this caught my eye as well.

If people actually thought that this was the case, then Obama probably wouldn't have got a pass.

I read a few years ago, a complaint by a doctor against the system and he made some very valid points at the time.

[Fox]

Ontheway is confusing "health care system" and "health care technology". America has the best health care technology in the world, but a terrible health care system. If not for the technological advantage, America's health care would be even worse.

[Rusty Shackleford]

[Adventurer]

How is the US system the best in the world? A system is supposed to be connected to the population at large, not the ruling elite or those who have access to a lot of dosh, moola, coin. I mean if you don't have access to health care, and that's true for about 15% of the population, the the US has a horrible system. Why should 15% of the population not have health care. Even those with health care coverage often get denied certain things because insurance companies lose money if people get treatment. A solely for profit scheme ends up violating the principles of "Government for the people and by the people". You are supposed to take care of your own. More Americans die each other for lack of proper medical care than people who died in September 11th possibly. You also have that idea of pre-existing condition.

The ironic thing is many conservatives oppose this, but the conservative thing to do is protect your society, not undermine it instead of saying,
"Am I my brother's keeper" after he dies for lack of proper care.

[Kuros]

I love the car insurance comparison. Its very telling. What can you do with all the wealth in the world if you're in bad health? Having a heart attack is different from having your car totalled (while you escape unscratched).

But car insurance isn't crucial because of the damage it does to your car. No, its crucial because accidental coverage has everything to do with liability for causing health related injuries in accidents. The $20k you paid for your new car is a small sum compared to the value of human life you threaten while driving on the road.

So, yes, thanks for driving the discussion briefly away and then right back to health care. The rotten inefficiency and unfairness of our health care system affects so many points in our economy, its no wonder such passion accompanies the issue ('evil' legislation).

I don't know. The way the OP frames the debate can't be serious. The legislation isn't socialized health care by any measure. Its not taking over hospitals. Its not even single-payer, where the gov't pays for private hospitals for everyone's care. No, its creating an option for the gov't to run its own healthcare plan.

So that's what we get from opponents of the health care plan, distortions and scare tactics. There are genuine arguments against this health care legislation, but I haven't seen any on this thread.

[hobakmorinam]

[Rusty Shackleford]

[Triban]

[Rusty Shackleford]

[bacasper]

Why didn't Ron Paul vote? Such a close vote he should not have missed.

[Kuros]

[bacasper]