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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Further, re: blogs. They are terrible sources of authority. No peer review process, no editor, no accountability whatsoever. Bloggers simply write what they please. I would never cite a blog in my points and authorities on anything. |
Maybe you wouldn't, but Fox News would. You hold yourself to a higher standard in your casual forum posts than Fox News does in its professional reporting.
While I'm posting, here's another litany of some of Fox News' reporting sins. This organization is so far above and beyond its competition in terms of disingenuity that there's just no comparison. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Here's some more madness from Fox News madness. I like the random zeroes, particularly because the area between 20 and 0 is a total dead zone. Evidently anything of 20 or below automatically gets rounded down to zero.
The "See if the bubble has burst" caption at the bottom of the "Overall Rating" chart is an especially nice touch. Quality information indeed. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| You hold yourself to a higher standard in your casual forum posts than Fox News does in its professional reporting. |
Exactly.
In any case, have you strawmanned me as a Fox News partisan, Fox? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| You hold yourself to a higher standard in your casual forum posts than Fox News does in its professional reporting. |
Exactly.
In any case, have you strawmanned me as a Fox News partisan, Fox? |
No, quite the opposite. I'm trying to say that really, you can see exactly how bad they are, and that I feel it's merely your Conservative leanings that make you want to construe the "Liberal Media" as just as bad, even though they are no where near as extreme in their disingenuity.
It's not that I feel you're defending Fox News, it's that I feel you are construing other news sources as worse than they really are to try to make them out as equivalent to Fox News. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| ...you can see exactly how bad they are, and that I feel it's merely your Conservative leanings that make you want to construe the "Liberal Media" as just as bad, even though they are no where near as extreme in their disingenuity. |
And your politics, especially as you articulate your objections to Fox News, lead me to say the exact same thing about you, but the reverse of this.
Your error is to construe politics as distortions, lies, and now disingenuity. Perhaps that does indeed represent one valid way to look at this old and respectable art form. On the other hand, you are doing it only one-sidedly.
We are repeating ourselves at this point, Fox. Cheers and thank you for the exchange. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ...you can see exactly how bad they are, and that I feel it's merely your Conservative leanings that make you want to construe the "Liberal Media" as just as bad, even though they are no where near as extreme in their disingenuity. |
And your politics, especially as you articulate your objections to Fox News, lead me to say the exact same thing about you, but the reverse of this.
Your error is to construe politics as distortions, lies, and now disingenuity. |
The examples of Fox News' news reporting I've been giving in this thread have been distortion, lies, and disingenuity. Doctoring pictures to make people who you want to denounce appear less attractive -- and thus harder to sympathize with -- is a distortion. Making up statistics is a lie. These things aren't simply politics, they're lies, and they're done regularly as part of Fox News' news reporting.
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| We are repeating ourselves at this point, Fox. Cheers and thank you for the exchange. |
You too. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, this post was originally about how excuses were wearing thin for OBAMA, and by the second page it has devolved into mindless debating over NEWS PROGRAMS. This is why nothing will ever get done in America, everyone is distracted by the media.
Stop watching television, get off your ass, and DO something. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Triban wrote: |
Okay, this post was originally about how excuses were wearing thin for OBAMA, and by the second page it has devolved into mindless debating over NEWS PROGRAMS. This is why nothing will ever get done in America, everyone is distracted by the media.
Stop watching television, get off your ass, and DO something. |
Take a look at the OP. What people are debating here is exactly what the first post was about.
EDIT: Here you go:
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/1834209,CST-EDT-HUNT20.article
Read the article. Post your thoughts.
I agree with the author. Its interesting that Obama accuses Fox News of being a Republican mouthpiece, meanwhile he says nothing when CNN and MSNBC rally to his defense. |
EDIT2: And from the OP's linked article--
"The MSNBC blast against the chamber appears to dovetail with what the Politico newspaper reports is a White House and Democratic effort "to marginalize" the business organization. That echoes the administration assault on the Fox News Channel: It says Fox isn't a news organization." |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc... etc... all get their news from the same source?
Call it the Associated Press, or Reuters, or whatever. You got some nobody with a Mass Com, English, or Journalism degree writing some story. You don't know how that person got the story. You don't know if all the facts are straight. You don't know the person's political views. All you know is that you have a story, and its breaking now. And you want to report the story before your competitors do.
So, now the major news network posted a story from some nobody. Some correspondent. Later, someone does some digging and finds errors in that person's story. Since the major news network reported the story, it is their fault, not the fault of the idiot who originally wrote the story.
News agencies are CORPORATIONS. They are NOT non-profit charities who's purpose is to make people around the world informed of what happens.
Here's my point. Anyone who bashes Fox News, without also pointing their finger at CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, NPR, etc... are hypocrites. To only single Fox News out is hypocrisy. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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More Cash-for-Clunkers news . . .
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The single most common swap � which occurred more than 8,200 times � involved Ford F150 pickup owners who took advantage of a government rebate to trade their old trucks for new Ford F150s. They were 17 times more likely to buy a new F150 than, say, a Toyota Prius. The fuel economy for the new trucks ranged from 15 mpg to 17 mpg based on engine size and other factors, an improvement of just 1 mpg to 3 mpg over the clunkers.
The new data, obtained by the AP under the Freedom of Information Act, include details of 677,081 clunker trade-ins processed by the government through Oct. 16. More than 95,000 of the new vehicles purchased under the program � or about one in seven � got less than 20 mpg, according to the data.
"If we're looking for the environmental story here, we're going to be disappointed," said Jeremy Anwyl, chief executive at Edmunds.com, an analyst firm. "It might have started out from the perspective of improving the environment, but it got detoured as a way to stimulate the economy." |
Wow. I wonder if the green stimulus moneys are going to be swamped in such mediocre change as this. The Obama Admin/Dem Congress has a big stain of incompetence on their overalls. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: |
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More Cash-for-Clunkers news . . .
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The single most common swap � which occurred more than 8,200 times � involved Ford F150 pickup owners who took advantage of a government rebate to trade their old trucks for new Ford F150s. They were 17 times more likely to buy a new F150 than, say, a Toyota Prius. The fuel economy for the new trucks ranged from 15 mpg to 17 mpg based on engine size and other factors, an improvement of just 1 mpg to 3 mpg over the clunkers.
The new data, obtained by the AP under the Freedom of Information Act, include details of 677,081 clunker trade-ins processed by the government through Oct. 16. More than 95,000 of the new vehicles purchased under the program � or about one in seven � got less than 20 mpg, according to the data.
"If we're looking for the environmental story here, we're going to be disappointed," said Jeremy Anwyl, chief executive at Edmunds.com, an analyst firm. "It might have started out from the perspective of improving the environment, but it got detoured as a way to stimulate the economy." |
Wow. I wonder if the green stimulus moneys are going to be swamped in such mediocre change as this. The Obama Admin/Dem Congress has a big stain of incompetence on their overalls. |
It was just a stimulus for the auto-industry with a thin veneer of green politics. This is like the GMAC bailout. GM sells cars on credit to people who can't afford them and the government picks up the tab. Stimulus! But there is a good stimulus lesson here. The demand for cars when the cash for clunkers program ended dropped off a steep cliff and won't recover for a long time. This is what we mean with "bringing demand forward". |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Further, re: blogs. They are terrible sources of authority. No peer review process, no editor, no accountability whatsoever. Bloggers simply write what they please. I would never cite a blog in my points and authorities on anything. |
Maybe you wouldn't, but Fox News would. You hold yourself to a higher standard in your casual forum posts than Fox News does in its professional reporting.
While I'm posting, here's another litany of some of Fox News' reporting sins. This organization is so far above and beyond its competition in terms of disingenuity that there's just no comparison. |
Oh I don't know.
Ever hear of Jayson Blair or Adnam Hajj for example? |
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