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thunderbird
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 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: primary schools close but academies stay open, whats the poi |
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whats the point in closing down the public schools if kids are just going to to private academics and share there food, have there hands all over each other, never wash hands properly, mix with kids from all the public schools in town?
shouldnt they shut down the private academies first because of higher risk and not worry so much about the public schools? |
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pjmancktelow
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| the point (sadly) is that the hogwans wont get paid if they shut down and thus. as we all know in a hogwan, money is the number 1 factor. what you say about them basically being dirty. i think is even more so in a public school. just my opinion of course. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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Public schools pack the kids 40 deep and they are together all day. Therefore, you have a greater chance of picking it up at your regular school. Because there are less kids in the class and they are together for a shorter period, your chances of contracting it at hagwon are lower.
Besides, it is the individual school (or maybe local school boards?) decision to close down (I believe). Not a top down government decree. Why would that affect hagwons? |
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jakda meori
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Location: Yeongcheon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: In Yeongcheon... |
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| HEy guys! I come from a small city where they leave such decisions up to the parents. Here the parents are pretty active in the school system. The superintendent suggested on the local news that they close down the school and was awaiting their response. Don't know whats gonna happen but that could just mean a few days of desk-warming at work. |
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Korean LaoWei
Joined: 01 Apr 2009
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| Hagwons seem more dangerous than public schools to me. Main reason is because in public schools the kids are always with same people. There is minimal interaction with people outside their class group. this isolation seems to be better for limiting the spread of a disease than hagwons, where every class is with a different set of kids. More mixing means more opportunities for the disease to spread. I agree with the Op. If you don't close the hagwons closing the public schools is a generally useless move maybe even detrimental because the hagwons will likely have more classes than they would normaly. This would increase mixing and make the infection rates higher than if they just sit around with the same folks all day at school. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: primary schools close but academies stay open, whats the |
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| thunderbird wrote: |
whats the point in closing down the public schools if kids are just going to to private academics and share there food, have there hands all over each other, never wash hands properly, mix with kids from all the public schools in town?
shouldn't they shut down the private academies first because of higher risk and not worry so much about the public schools? |
Because classes in hagwons are smaller and can be better monitored.
I had only 1 student infected, should I close an entire school because I have one case of an influenza?
We immediately imposed strict hygiene rules in the school. Washing of the hands and taught them how to behave when coughing and minimze the chances of getting infected. With the result that ONLY ONE KID in my school got infected, and it originated from outside of my school.
This Influenza is a simple matter of basic hygiene training of the children and their parents. Sitting next to an infected person is not going to get you infected, you have to exchange bodily fluids before that happens.
The government has already instigated a code red. They can close my school down, if they deem it necessary.
The principals in my area have told the mothers to NOT send their kids to hagwons after school, with the result that I lost a lot of students for that period, because an idiot behind a desk, who has no business in my business, decided he was smarter than me, which he clearly is not. This is blatant government interference in a situation where it isn't called for, and is unacceptable. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Korean LaoWei wrote: |
| Hagwons seem more dangerous than public schools to me. Main reason is because in public schools the kids are always with same people. There is minimal interaction with people outside their class group. this isolation seems to be better for limiting the spread of a disease than hagwons, where every class is with a different set of kids. More mixing means more opportunities for the disease to spread. I agree with the Op. If you don't close the hagwons closing the public schools is a generally useless move maybe even detrimental because the hagwons will likely have more classes than they would normaly. This would increase mixing and make the infection rates higher than if they just sit around with the same folks all day at school. |
Yeay, another person talking out of his behind.
Hagwons are less dangerous because classes are smaller, so less chance of spread.
It is far easier for hagwons to control their kids with unhygienic behavior. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: Re: primary schools close but academies stay open, whats the |
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| thunderbird wrote: |
whats the point in closing down the public schools if kids are just going to to private academics and share there food, have there hands all over each other, never wash hands properly, mix with kids from all the public schools in town?
shouldn't they shut down the private academies first because of higher risk and not worry so much about the public schools? |
Because classes in hagwons are smaller and can be better monitored.
I had only 1 student infected, should I close an entire school because I have one case of an influenza?
We immediately imposed strict hygiene rules in the school. Washing of the hands and taught them how to behave when coughing and minimze the chances of getting infected. With the result that ONLY ONE KID in my school got infected, and it originated from outside of my school.
This Influenza is a simple matter of basic hygiene training of the children and their parents. Sitting next to an infected person is not going to get you infected, you have to exchange bodily fluids before that happens.
The government has already instigated a code red. They can close my school down, if they deem it necessary.
The principals in my area have told the mothers to NOT send their kids to hagwons after school, with the result that I lost a lot of students for that period, because an idiot behind a desk, who has no business in my business, decided he was smarter than me, which he clearly is not. This is blatant government interference in a situation where it isn't called for, and is unacceptable. |
I think somebody skipped a few Biology lessons when he was at school. Influenza is air borne; the virus is carried in moisture droplets distributed into the air as an aerosol everytime an infected person coughs, sneezes or even simply breathes. A(H1N1) is highly contagious and simply sitting in a room for 50 minutes with an infected person is more than enough time and opportunity for the virus to infect you.
There is no point in closing the Elementary school system unless hagwons also close their elementary classes....your standpoint is indefensible Juregen....and your grasp of basic epidemiology is shocking |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| Korean LaoWei wrote: |
| Hagwons seem more dangerous than public schools to me. Main reason is because in public schools the kids are always with same people. There is minimal interaction with people outside their class group. this isolation seems to be better for limiting the spread of a disease than hagwons, where every class is with a different set of kids. More mixing means more opportunities for the disease to spread. I agree with the Op. If you don't close the hagwons closing the public schools is a generally useless move maybe even detrimental because the hagwons will likely have more classes than they would normaly. This would increase mixing and make the infection rates higher than if they just sit around with the same folks all day at school. |
Yeay, another person talking out of his behind.
Hagwons are less dangerous because classes are smaller, so less chance of spread.
It is far easier for hagwons to control their kids with unhygienic behavior. |
Juregen is correct on this.
Children coming to hogwans are exposed to a much smaller number of other children for a much shorter period of time. If the school maintains a "stay home if you're sick" rule, it's unlikely that anyone will be infected while attending the hogwan.
OTOH, in Korea public schools are worse than crowded cattle feed lots - everyone is going to get everyone else's germs.
In the end, however, it is bad policy to close public schools or hogwans. It means that healthy children will be denied the chance to learn while healthy because the school is closed and then they'll get sick when the school finally reopens and miss even more class time when the government finally realizes that closing the schools doesn't work. |
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curiousaboutkorea
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: Re: primary schools close but academies stay open, whats the |
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| thunderbird wrote: |
whats the point in closing down the public schools if kids are just going to to private academics and share there food, have there hands all over each other, never wash hands properly, mix with kids from all the public schools in town?
shouldnt they shut down the private academies first because of higher risk and not worry so much about the public schools? |
It's simple... closing down a hagwon means losing money. Don't mess with a hagwon owner and his/her money.  |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: primary schools close but academies stay open, whats the |
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| English Matt wrote: |
I think somebody skipped a few Biology lessons when he was at school. Influenza is air borne; the virus is carried in moisture droplets distributed into the air as an aerosol everytime an infected person coughs, sneezes or even simply breathes. A(H1N1) is highly contagious and simply sitting in a room for 50 minutes with an infected person is more than enough time and opportunity for the virus to infect you.
There is no point in closing the Elementary school system unless hagwons also close their elementary classes....your standpoint is indefensible Juregen....and your grasp of basic epidemiology is shocking |
That is why doctors are telling everyone that the most basic defense against the H1N1 is washing your hands. ..... and not to touch the face with the hands.
Viruses mostly enter thru the ears.
My basic epidemiology is pretty well under control. Thanks for asking. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: primary schools close but academies stay open, whats the |
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| thunderbird wrote: |
whats the point in closing down the public schools if kids are just going to to private academics and share there food, have there hands all over each other, never wash hands properly, mix with kids from all the public schools in town?
shouldnt they shut down the private academies first because of higher risk and not worry so much about the public schools? |
It's simple... closing down a hagwon means losing money. Don't mess with a hagwon owner and his/her money. |
The day that you invest your money in a school, you will pipe slightly different.
It is nice to speak from the moral high horse, but I suggest you come down to the real world, where wages have to be paid ... or you don't want to be paid? |
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curiousaboutkorea
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:04 am Post subject: Re: primary schools close but academies stay open, whats the |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| curiousaboutkorea wrote: |
| thunderbird wrote: |
whats the point in closing down the public schools if kids are just going to to private academics and share there food, have there hands all over each other, never wash hands properly, mix with kids from all the public schools in town?
shouldnt they shut down the private academies first because of higher risk and not worry so much about the public schools? |
It's simple... closing down a hagwon means losing money. Don't mess with a hagwon owner and his/her money. |
The day that you invest your money in a school, you will pipe slightly different.
It is nice to speak from the moral high horse, but I suggest you come down to the real world, where wages have to be paid ... or you don't want to be paid? |
And when everyone gets sick, the school will look great, right? Good business and ethical behavior don't have to conflict. |
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