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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| xingyiman wrote: |
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| CNN, HLN and MSNBC are all sort of the same variety so they share that market while Fox news has a monopoly for the "fringe". |
Since when did the majority of viewers become a fringe? CNN and the others have leaned left for all the years they've been in business. Yes FOX news is as far right as the others are left. There is no middle ground and that's whats wrong with American journalism. |
I said that Fox has a monopoly. When you can only get one station that gives the news the way you want to hear it, it may look like you are the majority because you have a large market share, but there are so many other media outlets that aren't taken into account that are more to the center and watched by more people.
MSNBC is left, but FOX is far far right, just look at their 2 poster boys Beck and O'Reilly. |
How can Fox have a monopoly? I can turn on the TV or surf the web and get CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc... Many people are turning away from the liberal outlets because they have been harping on the same things for so long. Eventually the same thing may happen to Fox news who knows? It's not like FOX is shutting out the other networks, they are simply losing in the ratings category, pehaps because there are more conservative minded people out there than you are giving credit for. |
They have a monopoly on conservative news, not news in gerneral. I will say it again. There is one conservative news network, there are many that are not on the conservative side.
As for troutslayer, have you ever seen O'Reilly? Just because I believe something that many others believe or share popular sediments does not make me a member of a bandwagon, nor does it make me wrong. But like you said, we each have opinions and we each view what is conservative differently.
I'm just glad I have BBC here. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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I like some things on Fox News. I like some things on CNN.
I believe the truth is often in the middle.
Fox does have a point about most other media outlets being biased, though. It's extremely noticeable -- especially with this "muslim thing" going on in the military. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I like some things on Fox News. I like some things on CNN.
I believe the truth is often in the middle.
Fox does have a point about most other media outlets being biased, though. It's extremely noticeable -- especially with this "muslim thing" going on in the military. |
Yes, other networks are clearly biased, just as Fox News is. It's not the bias that makes Fox News worthy of condemnation, it's the willingness to lie and distort to support that bias, the frequency which they engage in said lies and distortion, and the degree of those lies and distortion. |
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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do people have this fetish for unbiased journalism? |
 Ask someone from China or North Korea about this.
When I read or watch news, I like knowing the facts about what happened before I hear anyones opinion on it.
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| When done intelligently partisan journalism is a wonderful thing. |
Absolutely. Opinions are wonderful in their proper context. |
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| You are working from flawed assumptions. 1) Impartial press is fact based. 2) Partisan press is opinion based. 3) Partisan press is somehow related to propaganda. 4) There is a single source of or manipulated uniform information. |
I don't seem to be the only one.
1) Ideally, yes. But usually not in pratice.
2) Not opinion based, but opinion is used to shape the presentation.
3) The press has little to nothing to do with propoganda.
4) Nope.
You did make some good points about the press pretending to be impartial when it's easy to see otherwise.
I will admit that I blurred the term journalism with news in my reply.
I do believe objectivity is essential is news reporting, as there are many sides to a story.
Journalism, on the other hand, can be partial to influence people or speak to a target audience. |
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mua'dib
Joined: 29 Sep 2009
Location: sweating pure pocari
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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This entire thread and 90% of the postings therein sadden me.
There is no left leaning American cable news. Only right and extreme right. The center doesn't exist. Never has. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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This entire thread and 90% of the postings therein sadden me.
There is no left leaning American cable news. Only right and extreme right. The center doesn't exist. Never has. |
+1 |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Fox News killing all in ratings. CNN 4th |
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| .....For the month, CNN averaged 202,000 viewers between the ages of 25 and 54 � the group that television news organizations use as their basis of success because of their advertising sales. That was far behind the dominant leader, Fox News, which averaged 689,000. But it also trailed MSNBC, which had 250,000 viewers in that group and HLN, which had 221,000..... |
out of a nation of 300 million!!!!!!!!!!!! so basically, very few people watch Fox News and even less in America watch CNN (I'm sure CNN's International station has millions of viewers) |
I believe that has to do with the portion of the sample taken to determine the rankings. |
 Are you saying the 'averaged viewers' is a sample? it would be the biggest sample in t.v. ratings history!
Only a small fraction of Americans watch Fox News or CNN on any given day. So it's splitting hairs, competing for the small number of advertisers still investing in network t.v. nationwide spots. It takes a war for CNN's ratings to go through the roof. The network was made in the first Bush president's war in the Gulf and reached its height at the start of the second Bush president's war in the Gulf. |
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