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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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 Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:54 am Post subject: Denmark To Pay Immigrants $21,000 To Leave |
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They have been offering money since 1997. However they have just increased the "incentive" by 10X.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1226698/Denmark-pay-immigrants-12-000-home-wont-assimilate.html
I think as oil prices increase around the world, this will lead to an increase in food prices and less jobs. Anti-immigration sentiments will probably increase as a result. Countries will become more protectionist.
It seems that the doors are already slowly closing. It's not racism. It's practicality. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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It is racist.....it's a policy that says "We don't want foreigners here".
If they are worried about the economy, why not offer the incentive to anybody (including Danes) and say that if they take the money they cannot come back for a certain amount of time. Or, they could spend the money on education, social welfare, assimilation programs for immigrants....all things that would create jobs and keep that money in the country in the form of tax and sales revenues.
Just as in Japan, this is a racist policy implemented by a racist right-wing government.....it's a populist, knee-jerk action to appease those vocal, ignorant xenophobes.
If every problem has it's price, why not start paying drug dealers to stop dealing drugs, bank robbers to stop robbing banks, sex offenders to stop raping people?
You can't put a price on life....and yet this is exactly what this policy is doing. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Japan has been offering the same thing to people who are half Japanese. |
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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's not aimed at all immigrants. The EU migrants don't qualify.
I would guess that the policy is being implemented due to economics rather than racism.
Since Denmark is a welfare state, it is probably cheaper to pay $21,000 than supporting immigrants who do not assimilate due to language and cultural difficulties.
And since the democratically elected government put this policy in place, it represents the will of the citizens.
It is quite generous, in my opinion. No one is forcing them out. They are being paid a huge sum of money, at their option. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Why did those people come in the first place? Likely, they were lured by the generous welfare programs. Now they are sucking up more public money in order to leave.
I don't blame the immigrants, why wouldn't you maximise your situation? I would.
Here's an idea. Why not give that money to the Danes and see what they do with it? Maybe they will buy products with it. That will create jobs. Then instead of receiving welfare, people can work. Crazy I know. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| English Matt wrote: |
| It is racist.....it's a policy that says "We don't want foreigners here". |
Oh well. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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It is important to see the context:
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article747167.ece
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Danes fear race riots
Danes are afraid that the current gang warfare will develop into race riots.
Almost two-thirds of Danes fear that the current conflict between the Hells Angels and immigrant gangs will develop into a regular racial conflict, according to a Megafon poll for Politiken and TV2.
Some 65 percent of those asked say that they fear that the gang war will develop into race riots, street warfare and general unrest.
Police downplay conflict
Police authorities, however, do not believe that race riots are a likely scenario in Denmark.
"But I can understand that people are worried. I would urge people to look at what is actually happening, rather than listening to the rhetoric from the various parties to the conflict. There is no basis for the concern that people are showing - the conflict between the gangs and bikers is about crime and not race," says Kim Klever of the National Investigation Centre (NEC).
The opinion poll comes a week after the Hells Angels published its 'Jackal Manifesto' - a controversial statement in which the group says that the ongoing gang war is not about criminal markets but rather a defence against 'a mentality found predominantly among certain young people with an immigant background - called 'jackals' by HAMC.'
War continues
There have been two murders in the past week, which police say are gang-related. A total of six people have been killed since 2008. |
http://www.sharia.dk/Skribenter/hedegaard/rotten_denmark.html
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* Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.[4]
* Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5,4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists,[5] an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.[6]
* Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.[7]
* Importing unacceptable customs: Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem.
* Another threat is to kill Muslims who convert out of Islam: One Kurdish convert to Christianity, who went public to explain why she had changed religion, felt the need to hide her face and conceal her identity, fearing for her life.[8]
* Fomenting anti-Semitism: Muslim violence threatens Denmark's approximately 6,000 Jews, who increasingly depend on police protection. Jewish parents were told by one school principal that she could not guarantee their children's safety and were advised to attend another institution.[9] Anti-Israel marches have turned into anti-Jewish riots. One organization, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, openly calls on Muslims to "kill all Jews � wherever you find them."[10]
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http://www.internationalfreepresssociety.org/2009/02/once-again-its-the-economy-stupid/
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Goodbye to the welfare state
In the process the Left has also undermined its signal creation, the modern welfare state.
In a remarkable report from 2008, Denmark�s National Bank (the equivalent of the Bank of England or the Federal Reserve) writes:
�A major part of the immigration into Denmark over the past 15-20 years, particularly at the beginning of the period, has come from less developed countries and has consisted of people with a low participation in the labor market causing a relatively large drag on public welfare expenditures. This has lead to a deterioration of the public finances, i.e. it has aggravated the problem of sustainability.
If immigration is to support the financing of the public sector, it must be in the shape of so-called �super immigration�. This concept covers a person who does not immigrate until he has completed his education, who is immediately employable and has an employment frequency of 100 per cent, pays taxes like a Dane, does not bring along his family and leaves the country before he reaches pension age.�
A tall order indeed and one that has never been filled by the sort of immigrants Denmark has been attracting.
Yet the Left has no answer to offer except for more immigration and lamentations over the oppression of Muslims combined with a loving understanding of their need for �respect� and special treatment.
Of course, many � if not most � of the non-socialist parties have been equally eager to embrace mass immigration of non-integratable masses from the third world. But they haven�t really been that wedded to the cradle-to-grave welfare state � at least not in the beginning.
In fact, when we look at such countries as Germany, Holland, England, Denmark, Norway and Sweden, it was private enterprise that started importing cheap and unskilled labor from the rural populations of Bangla Desh, Pakistan, Turkey, Morocco and other such places to fill the gaps along the assembly lines. At that time � in the late sixties and seventies � many spokesmen for the labor unions and the socialist parties were critical of this unwelcome competition that threatened to drive down wages and undermine hard-fought labor rights.
That was when the old industrial society was on its hind legs, soon to be replaced by the knowledge society, in which many of the new immigrants were simply unemployable. Yet they were allowed to stay on, bring in their large families and collect welfare.
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Undermine public safety? Check. Undermine social services? Check. Why oh why do the Danes want a change? |
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highdials5
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Why was the OP reading the Daily Mail in the first place?  |
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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ Is the Daily Mail a tabloid? I have no idea. Anyways the information is the same as a major Canadian newspaper. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: |
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So, take a nice long government paid vacation in Denmark and then get paid to leave?
Maybe we could package this plan for unemployed North Americans - vacation, see Europe and a $21k bonus to go home. |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| highdials5 wrote: |
| Why was the OP reading the Daily Mail in the first place? |
daily mail.....afaik....the bnp paper of choice!!!
I'm Irish, I don't read it, I doubt I am in their core demographic market either |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Japan has been offering the same thing to people who are half Japanese. |
That's not true.
I guess you're thinking of Japanese Brazilians? |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
So, take a nice long government paid vacation in Denmark and then get paid to leave?
Maybe we could package this plan for unemployed North Americans - vacation, see Europe and a $21k bonus to go home. |
That sounds like a great idea. Go there during your winter or summer vacations and come back to Korea with an additional $21k in your bank account. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| Japan has been offering the same thing to people who are half Japanese. |
That's not true.
I guess you're thinking of Japanese Brazilians? |
I believe that's it... but is it any less heinous? |
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