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Are there any recruiters that actually LISTEN?
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0ju



Joined: 30 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Are there any recruiters that actually LISTEN? Reply with quote

I've submitted my resume to several recruiters with fairly specific instructions on exactly what type of job I'm looking for (regarding location and starting date). So far, ALL of them have emailed me job openings that are nothing like what I'm looking for.

Are there any recruiters out there that will actually work with you in finding a job that you want? Or do they all just bombard you with every single available vacancy?
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry it's been stated here before, recruiters work for Hagwon's not for teachers. The Hagwon's pay them and that's where their loyalties lie, right up to the point they get their cash and then everyone is on their own.

Keep applying, but also check that your requests are reasonable in the current market. If they're not Korea is not the only country in which you can teach English.
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0ju



Joined: 30 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
Sorry it's been stated here before, recruiters work for Hagwon's not for teachers. The Hagwon's pay them and that's where their loyalties lie, right up to the point they get their cash and then everyone is on their own.

Keep applying, but also check that your requests are reasonable in the current market. If they're not Korea is not the only country in which you can teach English.


I don't think I'm asking for anything impossible... and they're just wasting their time by sending me positions that I won't consider Neutral
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ju wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
Sorry it's been stated here before, recruiters work for Hagwon's not for teachers. The Hagwon's pay them and that's where their loyalties lie, right up to the point they get their cash and then everyone is on their own.

Keep applying, but also check that your requests are reasonable in the current market. If they're not Korea is not the only country in which you can teach English.


I don't think I'm asking for anything impossible... and they're just wasting their time by sending me positions that I won't consider Neutral


Do you have the leverage to make these demands? Education + Experience?

You won't get a job in gangam or apku without a top notch degree and/or a lot of experience
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0ju



Joined: 30 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
0ju wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
Sorry it's been stated here before, recruiters work for Hagwon's not for teachers. The Hagwon's pay them and that's where their loyalties lie, right up to the point they get their cash and then everyone is on their own.

Keep applying, but also check that your requests are reasonable in the current market. If they're not Korea is not the only country in which you can teach English.


I don't think I'm asking for anything impossible... and they're just wasting their time by sending me positions that I won't consider Neutral


Do you have the leverage to make these demands? Education + Experience?

You won't get a job in gangam or apku without a top notch degree and/or a lot of experience


It's not so much that I want to get paid more than everyone else--it's that I can't start until March and I am only interested in teaching adults. Yet they insist on sending me jobs that begin in January and are for teaching very young children.

I have little or no teaching experience but I do have a doctorate degree.
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seonsengnimble



Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ju wrote:
winterfall wrote:
0ju wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
Sorry it's been stated here before, recruiters work for Hagwon's not for teachers. The Hagwon's pay them and that's where their loyalties lie, right up to the point they get their cash and then everyone is on their own.

Keep applying, but also check that your requests are reasonable in the current market. If they're not Korea is not the only country in which you can teach English.


I don't think I'm asking for anything impossible... and they're just wasting their time by sending me positions that I won't consider Neutral


Do you have the leverage to make these demands? Education + Experience?

You won't get a job in gangam or apku without a top notch degree and/or a lot of experience


It's not so much that I want to get paid more than everyone else--it's that I can't start until March and I am only interested in teaching adults. Yet they insist on sending me jobs that begin in January and are for teaching very young children.

I have little or no teaching experience but I do have a doctorate degree.


Except for public schools and Universities, most jobs don't hire four months in advance. Most places here love to do things last minute, sometimes hiring for positions that start the next week.

Your recruiters may just not have any positions that start in March yet.
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Whitey Otez



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: The suburbs of Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's how it works:

Recruiters pay to grab resumes from one part of the web, then pay to grab job postings from another. To them, it is a race with other recruiters to introduce people to schools, with a little effort in making sure the person won't quit the school early.

Note that fortunate experienced teachers can get job referrals to their colleagues' better schools.

Further note that an awesome school, once established, should be able to get its teachers almost exclusively from referrals of the teachers that stay on year after year.

(In this post, school is interchangeable with academy or hogwan)[/i]
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol I know your pain OP.

I used to write to recruiters BOLDING, Italicising and using a big font in my cover letters.

An example would be


I'm looking for a FULL TIME PUBLIC SCHOOL job ONLY, NO MIDDLE SCHOOL, Hakwans or Kindy please. SEOUL OR SATTELITE CITIES ONLY.

Of course I'd still get replies and even calls at innapropriate hours asking if I wanted to interview for a pt kindy gig in Busan lol...
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I have little or no teaching experience but I do have a doctorate degree.


If you want adults, then why not simply apply directly to any universities in the area?
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0ju



Joined: 30 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riverboy wrote:
Quote:
I have little or no teaching experience but I do have a doctorate degree.


If you want adults, then why not simply apply directly to any universities in the area?


they seem to want someone with one or more years of teaching experience (understandably).
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Whitey Otez



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: The suburbs of Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBM's adult hogwans want young, inexperienced teachers. They're cheaper, allegedly.
Having made my millions, I'm fine taking the going rate, but there's still the issue that I'm too old for their demographic and I'm starting to resemble an old catcher's mitt.
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jpotter78



Joined: 29 Oct 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ju wrote:
riverboy wrote:
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I have little or no teaching experience but I do have a doctorate degree.


If you want adults, then why not simply apply directly to any universities in the area?


they seem to want someone with one or more years of teaching experience (understandably).


Contact CBS in Mokdong. I know they are looking for a full-time teacher right now and they have a plethora of adult classes there, though you might have 1 or 2 middle school classes a week. I know the manager of the English department quite well and she is not a typical manager. She is nice and professional. I can't send you a pm with her name and email because Im a newbie on this site. But you can email me and I will give you the contact info.
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0ju



Joined: 30 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpotter78 wrote:

Contact CBS in Mokdong. I know they are looking for a full-time teacher right now and they have a plethora of adult classes there, though you might have 1 or 2 middle school classes a week. I know the manager of the English department quite well and she is not a typical manager. She is nice and professional. I can't send you a pm with her name and email because Im a newbie on this site. But you can email me and I will give you the contact info.


To start right now, or to start at a future date?

As much as I would love to jump on the ESL train immediately upon arriving in Korea, I have to go back to the U.S. for all of the month of February (hence the March start date).
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most adult teaching jobs aren't available through recruiters. YBM and Pagoda do their own recruitment and due to the far better conditions Wall Street doesn't even usually need to advertise.

As you have a doctorate, you are probably should be looking for a University Job. Korea is trying to attract foreign professors, but they do tend to judge you on where you went to university rather than your research area or research. Depending on what your doctorate is in you could do much better than English instructing. If you have no English teaching experience it may be easier to get a professors job in your area rather than in English teaching. If your doctorate is in English, I think that will trump experience.

The good jobs for doctorate holders don't appear on Dave's you need to use the specialist academic recruiting websites.

Finally if you studied with or know any Korean students or professors from your university tell them you plan on coming here. A personal introduction here trumps experience, and qualifications in most cases.
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maingman



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Location: left Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: m Reply with quote

maybe best here Smile

http://www.gobestteachers.com/
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