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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Catflap is selling something. I'll bet you it begins with a "C". |
Not at all. I just think observing other teachers, being observed and getting constructive feedback from more experienced teachers are the best ways to learn how to teach effectively. Not exactly controversial. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| I wish I wasn't in contract until August, or else I'd hop on to this. Sad panda. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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How is someone with an MA in TESOL trained to teach English?
I'd say they weren't trained at all unless they'd had several hours of teaching practice and observations in class room situations. They might know a lot about how people learn languages but often not much about how to teach them |
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Courses such as teaching methodology answer your question. Also, a lot of programs have teaching practicuums, therefore students not only learn theory, but they also get to practice it in class. Some programs go further and require not only the practicum, but also the observation component as well, an equally important aspect when learning how to effectively use methodologies. |
Catflap is selling something. I'll bet you it begins with a "C". |
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withnail
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea.
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Most of the university jobs are taken. Most of the require two phds. Even though you only teach 9-15hours/week, they all require you to spend an extra 40hours per week doing busy work, babysitting, and custodial work. Even though some of them say they pay 3Mwon or more, that's only if you teach illegal private lessons in addition to the regular work load. Don't bother sending in an application. |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Location: Traveling
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Most of the university jobs are taken. Most of the require two phds. Even though you only teach 9-15hours/week, they all require you to spend an extra 40hours per week doing busy work, babysitting, and custodial work. Even though some of them say they pay 3Mwon or more, that's only if you teach illegal private lessons in addition to the regular work load. Don't bother sending in an application. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| makemischief wrote: |
| seonsengnimble wrote: |
| Most of the university jobs are taken. Most of the require two phds. Even though you only teach 9-15hours/week, they all require you to spend an extra 40hours per week doing busy work, babysitting, and custodial work. Even though some of them say they pay 3Mwon or more, that's only if you teach illegal private lessons in addition to the regular work load. Don't bother sending in an application. |
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lmao, I know, right? |
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| A good effort on the part of the OP but still fundementally mistake ridden. I agree with some of the replies that someone with an MA is not necessarily ready to teach. I can't remember where in Korea but some university hired the youngest PHD holder from America. It was all for publicity. She had only 6 students in her class and didn't finish off her contract. She didn't know how to teach and it's coming back to bite the university that hired her in the butt! Just because you have a post grad degree or higher, does it guarantee you can teach - no. Nothing beats teaching experience especically in Korea where it's a completely different beast. I know of a very good univ in Gyonegbuk province that will most likely hire a bunch of BA's for the spring semester after their MA policy went South. There are still lots of good univs out there hiring BA's with significant teaching experience and I say kudos to them. Better to start at a unigwon and try to work your way up than the 20+ hrs/2 weeks vacation at a public school. This is what's great about Korea - the land of opportunity! MA's don't get paid much better than BA holders. Have you seen some of the offers?! |
SNU if I remember correctly. Heard the same story from a co-worker. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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The grass is always greener... over the septic tank.  |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Lots of interesting stories here...
I was just explaining about Twitter search on another thread and thought I'd post up a neat way to find uni. jobs advertised. SEARCH HERE If you want to search for something beside uni. jobs - just replace "university" with something else. I now have even non online jobs being entered daily there.
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http://eflclassroom.com |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| A good effort on the part of the OP but still fundementally mistake ridden. I agree with some of the replies that someone with an MA is not necessarily ready to teach. I can't remember where in Korea but some university hired the youngest PHD holder from America. It was all for publicity. She had only 6 students in her class and didn't finish off her contract. She didn't know how to teach and it's coming back to bite the university that hired her in the butt! Just because you have a post grad degree or higher, does it guarantee you can teach - no. Nothing beats teaching experience especically in Korea where it's a completely different beast. I know of a very good univ in Gyonegbuk province that will most likely hire a bunch of BA's for the spring semester after their MA policy went South. There are still lots of good univs out there hiring BA's with significant teaching experience and I say kudos to them. Better to start at a unigwon and try to work your way up than the 20+ hrs/2 weeks vacation at a public school. This is what's great about Korea - the land of opportunity! MA's don't get paid much better than BA holders. Have you seen some of the offers?! |
SNU if I remember correctly. Heard the same story from a co-worker. |
First of all, she does not actually have a Ph.D. In reality, she is ABD (all but dissertation).
Second, it was not SNU that hired her. It was Konkuk University. All of the hoopla was due to fact that she was getting the title professor which made her the youngest professor ever.
Third, she actually did finish her contract. Some people think that she did not because she only taught for one semester. However, what people do not realize is that she started her contract before coming to Korea. In fact, she initially was getting paid to do research while she was still in America. So, in reality, the whole scandal is about the fact that she did not renew her contract.
Finally, I might add that she taught before at a university in New Orleans, presumably with the title "lecturer". I understand that her students there liked her. So, she did have previous teaching experience as a class lecturer and probably also as a TA. My own theory about whatever problems she had with the 6 student class at Konkuk, is that they had more to do with a culture clash with respect to how teaching is done.
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Jove
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Over the hill
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: Deluding yourselves |
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I'm afraid that a lot of you are deluding yourself if you think credentials make that great of a difference in the hiring process. I currently work at a "Top 5" university in Seoul and there is not a single person in my entire department that has anything higher than a bachelor's degree. A number of us are working on a master's, but none of us has completed the work. The contract is wonderful and I have complete control over what and how I teach...within reason. I am also paid quite well with months of paid vacation.
Now, I don't intend this to be a brag, but I got this job and others before it because of who I knew at the university. I do have pretty good credentials (B.A. Ed English + high school teaching experience in North America), but my current job wasn't advertised at all. It was all word-of-mouth.
So, my advice is to network with people you know currently working at unis and see if they're hiring. Like someone said earlier "a good word from a current teacher is worth a great deal more than a random masters degree."
And on the earlier discussion of title...I'm a Full-time Lecturer, although I try not to lecture too often. |
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
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| by2004 wrote: |
| A good effort on the part of the OP but still fundementally mistake ridden. I agree with some of the replies that someone with an MA is not necessarily ready to teach. I can't remember where in Korea but some university hired the youngest PHD holder from America. It was all for publicity. She had only 6 students in her class and didn't finish off her contract. She didn't know how to teach and it's coming back to bite the university that hired her in the butt! Just because you have a post grad degree or higher, does it guarantee you can teach - no. Nothing beats teaching experience especically in Korea where it's a completely different beast. I know of a very good univ in Gyonegbuk province that will most likely hire a bunch of BA's for the spring semester after their MA policy went South. There are still lots of good univs out there hiring BA's with significant teaching experience and I say kudos to them. Better to start at a unigwon and try to work your way up than the 20+ hrs/2 weeks vacation at a public school. This is what's great about Korea - the land of opportunity! MA's don't get paid much better than BA holders. Have you seen some of the offers?! |
SNU if I remember correctly. Heard the same story from a co-worker. |
First of all, she does not actually have a Ph.D. In reality, she is ABD (all but dissertation).
Second, it was not SNU that hired her. It was Konkuk University. All of the hoopla was due to fact that she was getting the title professor which made her the youngest professor ever.
Third, she actually did finish her contract. Some people think that she did not because she only taught for one semester. However, what people do not realize is that she started her contract before coming to Korea. In fact, she initially was getting paid to do research while she was still in America. So, in reality, the whole scandal is about the fact that she did not renew her contract.
Finally, I might add that she taught before at a university in New Orleans, presumably with the title "lecturer". I understand that her students there liked her. So, she did have previous teaching experience as a class lecturer and probably also as a TA. My own theory about whatever problems she had with the 6 student class at Konkuk, is that they had more to do with a culture clash with respect to how teaching is done. |
Not according to her resume on her website which says 'Assistant Professor.' Thanks for the info. on Konkuk University and about her finishing her contract. Checkup the net about her. True she only got a one year contract and didn't renew it. Wiki says that Konkuk hired her to get itself into the record books just before she turned 19. More here
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2911692&cat_code=03 |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| livinginkorea wrote: |
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| by2004 wrote: |
| A good effort on the part of the OP but still fundementally mistake ridden. I agree with some of the replies that someone with an MA is not necessarily ready to teach. I can't remember where in Korea but some university hired the youngest PHD holder from America. It was all for publicity. She had only 6 students in her class and didn't finish off her contract. She didn't know how to teach and it's coming back to bite the university that hired her in the butt! Just because you have a post grad degree or higher, does it guarantee you can teach - no. Nothing beats teaching experience especically in Korea where it's a completely different beast. I know of a very good univ in Gyonegbuk province that will most likely hire a bunch of BA's for the spring semester after their MA policy went South. There are still lots of good univs out there hiring BA's with significant teaching experience and I say kudos to them. Better to start at a unigwon and try to work your way up than the 20+ hrs/2 weeks vacation at a public school. This is what's great about Korea - the land of opportunity! MA's don't get paid much better than BA holders. Have you seen some of the offers?! |
SNU if I remember correctly. Heard the same story from a co-worker. |
First of all, she does not actually have a Ph.D. In reality, she is ABD (all but dissertation).
Second, it was not SNU that hired her. It was Konkuk University. All of the hoopla was due to fact that she was getting the title professor which made her the youngest professor ever.
Third, she actually did finish her contract. Some people think that she did not because she only taught for one semester. However, what people do not realize is that she started her contract before coming to Korea. In fact, she initially was getting paid to do research while she was still in America. So, in reality, the whole scandal is about the fact that she did not renew her contract.
Finally, I might add that she taught before at a university in New Orleans, presumably with the title "lecturer". I understand that her students there liked her. So, she did have previous teaching experience as a class lecturer and probably also as a TA. My own theory about whatever problems she had with the 6 student class at Konkuk, is that they had more to do with a culture clash with respect to how teaching is done. |
Not according to her resume on her website which says 'Assistant Professor.' Thanks for the info. on Konkuk University and about her finishing her contract. Checkup the net about her. True she only got a one year contract and didn't renew it. Wiki says that Konkuk hired her to get itself into the record books just before she turned 19. More here
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2911692&cat_code=03 |
Actually, I have already read that article before. Also, I guess that I had missed that tidbit about her having the title "assistant professor". That surprises me as I would have thought it impossible to get that title in America without having a full fledged Ph.D. Anyways, I hope for her sake that she went back to school to put her full concentration on writing a dissertation. |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Location: Traveling
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Deluding yourselves |
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| Jove wrote: |
Like someone said earlier "a good word from a current teacher is worth a great deal more than a random masters degree."
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true at some universities, but not by any means all. i have no intention of claiming having a Masters=better teacher, but the fact is: many universities won't hire without one. i'm happy for you that yours does- but can you really generalize that to all unis in seoul? |
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