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mises
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| Consequently, I have nothing to complain about |
Other than Fox News? |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| I like the UK - but you are totally clueless about America. Most Americans make more money than Brits do, and enjoy a higher standard of living. |
You make more money - maybe - and you can afford the new Foreman grill... but then you can't afford healthcare... 
Care to point me to a source for your quality of life? I will guarantee I can provide a source for Europe having a better quality of life. |
Most people can afford healthcare - and the quality is far better than yours in the UK.
Oh and we pay less taxes too. In fact, pretty well everything bad about America in terms of policy (having a central bank, socialism, elitism, militarism around the world) was imported from England. We were never doing so good as when we successfully revolted against you. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| I like the UK - but you are totally clueless about America. Most Americans make more money than Brits do, and enjoy a higher standard of living. |
You make more money - maybe - and you can afford the new Foreman grill... but then you can't afford healthcare...
Care to point me to a source for your quality of life? I will guarantee I can provide a source for Europe having a better quality of life. |
Most people can afford healthcare - and the quality is far better than yours in the UK.
Oh and we pay less taxes too. In fact, pretty well everything bad about America in terms of policy (having a central bank, socialism, elitism, militarism around the world) was imported from England. |
Don't worry about it. My country is better pissing contests are pointless. America has her problems, the UK, Canada et al has their own. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| I like the UK - but you are totally clueless about America. Most Americans make more money than Brits do, and enjoy a higher standard of living. |
You make more money - maybe - and you can afford the new Foreman grill... but then you can't afford healthcare...
Care to point me to a source for your quality of life? I will guarantee I can provide a source for Europe having a better quality of life. |
Most people can afford healthcare - and the quality is far better than yours in the UK.
Oh and we pay less taxes too. In fact, pretty well everything bad about America in terms of policy (having a central bank, socialism, elitism, militarism around the world) was imported from England. |
Don't worry about it. My country is better pissing contests are pointless. America has her problems, the UK, Canada et al has their own. |
You're right. I desist. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| I like the UK - but you are totally clueless about America. Most Americans make more money than Brits do, and enjoy a higher standard of living. |
You make more money - maybe - and you can afford the new Foreman grill... but then you can't afford healthcare...
Care to point me to a source for your quality of life? I will guarantee I can provide a source for Europe having a better quality of life. |
Most people can afford healthcare - and the quality is far better than yours in the UK.
Oh and we pay less taxes too. In fact, pretty well everything bad about America in terms of policy (having a central bank, socialism, elitism, militarism around the world) was imported from England. |
Don't worry about it. My country is better pissing contests are pointless. America has her problems, the UK, Canada et al has their own. |
You're right. I desist. |
Now, if America or Canada could figure our how to get me a baked pineapple full of rice for 70cents like in Thailand I'd be perfectly happy and the problems wouldn't annoy me at all. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Most people can afford healthcare - and the quality is far better than yours in the UK. |
Oh good, maybe 90% can afford it... or maybe 95%. But last I heard 50 million people were without long-term health insurance.
In Britain we look after each other. Even the poorest (or second poorest people) get coverage. The rich people say "hey, don't worry, I'll pay higher taxes to cover your ass - because we're a society. Americans still need to learn this lesson. They will when the public option starts and progresses to Universal Coverage (huzzah!)
You're gotta wonder why Europe has come to rather a consensus and America is still failing to. Failure of democracy anyone?
Also, you've still failed to explain how American healthcare is better... we've got a better or equal life expectantcy
No, it's not a pissing contest - it's about Americans waking up and realising what they deserve - the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Now, if America or Canada could figure our how to get me a baked pineapple full of rice for 70cents like in Thailand I'd be perfectly happy and the problems wouldn't annoy me at all. |
Wow, I actually ate one of those today. No really. It was more like 150 baht though (~$5)... Goddam inflation  |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Now, if America or Canada could figure our how to get me a baked pineapple full of rice for 70cents like in Thailand I'd be perfectly happy and the problems wouldn't annoy me at all. |
Wow, I actually ate one of those today. No really. It was more like 150 baht though (~$5)... Goddam inflation |
5$ eh.. I could probably cook one at home for cheaper. Thailand actually isn't a reasonably priced country given her level of development. At least for foreigners. I was always surprised at how much stuff cost. I assume this is a left-over feature from the Asian Financial Crisis. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Boys, I know you like munching pineapples.... but, on topic, please. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Most people can afford healthcare - and the quality is far better than yours in the UK. |
Oh good, maybe 90% can afford it... or maybe 95%. But last I heard 50 million people were without long-term health insurance.
In Britain we look after each other. Even the poorest (or second poorest people) get coverage. The rich people say "hey, don't worry, I'll pay higher taxes to cover your ass - because we're a society. Americans still need to learn this lesson. They will when the public option starts and progresses to Universal Coverage (huzzah!)
You're gotta wonder why Europe has come to rather a consensus and America is still failing to. Failure of democracy anyone?
Also, you've still failed to explain how American healthcare is better... we've got a better or equal life expectantcy
No, it's not a pissing contest - it's about Americans waking up and realising what they deserve - the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. |
This is not a "lesson" that needs to be learned. What you like to impose on us is un-American. Our country was founded on principles of liberty and individualism, NOT collectivism. All your talk of society is based socialism, and that is not what America is about. Deal with it. American is not a collectivist democracy, but a constitutional republic. But of course you will never really understand because you've never lived there.
The only reason our healthcare is so out of whack is because most of the rest of our country has been socialized, starting with the Federal Reserve system - directly modeled on the Bank of England (the original fractional reserve central bank). It is a totally evil and unjust system. If we could get rid of it, and get rid of our inflationary debt-based money supply, and break all the government supported cartels, we'd live in such a prosperous society that all your points would become moot. That's how America should be, and we don't need Brits telling us how much better off we'd be living like them, when they're so far from perfect themselves. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Now, if America or Canada could figure our how to get me a baked pineapple full of rice for 70cents like in Thailand I'd be perfectly happy and the problems wouldn't annoy me at all. |
Wow, I actually ate one of those today. No really. It was more like 150 baht though (~$5)... Goddam inflation |
5$ eh.. I could probably cook one at home for cheaper. Thailand actually isn't a reasonably priced country given her level of development. At least for foreigners. I was always surprised at how much stuff cost. I assume this is a left-over feature from the Asian Financial Crisis. |
Yeah, they've even got yuppies here now too. It's disgusting.
Rent is still waaaay cheaper though. That's one of the major pluses. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| American is not a collectivist democracy, but a constitutional republic. |
The core principle of America is democracy. Democracy is fundamentally socialist. Unfortunately conservatives like you are going to find the next few decades really tough.
European democracy works better than American democracy currently - because of this we're more liberal - more representative of society. This isn't a lesson you'll be forced to learn, it's a lesson you'll have to learn. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| American is not a collectivist democracy, but a constitutional republic. |
The core principle of America is democracy. Democracy is fundamentally socialist. Unfortunately conservatives like you are going to find the next few decades really tough.
European democracy works better than American democracy currently - because of this we're more liberal - more representative of society. This isn't a lesson you'll be forced to learn, it's a lesson you'll have to learn. |
I'm adding this to the list of positively buffoonish statements you've made. This list is becoming quite long indeed.
A constitutional republic is NOT the same thing as a democracy. We vote in a servant government to defend the constitution, and that's all. There is nothing "collectivist" (i.e majority rule) about it. It is all about protecting individual liberty. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| We vote in a servant government to defend the constitution... |
In your Conservative dreams :)... |
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Kimbop
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Oh good, maybe 90% can afford it... or maybe 95%. But last I heard 50 million people were without long-term health insurance. |
many of these people choose to spend their own money on i-phone bills rather than monthly health insurance.
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In Britain we look after each other. Even the poorest (or second poorest people) get coverage. The rich people say "hey, don't worry, I'll pay higher taxes to cover your ass - because we're a society. Americans still need to learn this lesson. They will when the public option starts and progresses to Universal Coverage (huzzah!)
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The # of UK citizens who actually create wealth is shrinking. Your socialist paradise is unsustainable. Your socialist government has created ghettos of "underclass" minority immigrants who are addicted to your lavish public programs, and have no desire to contribute. Ever. (ironically enough, these people are supposed to fuel the ponzi scheme, not slow it down) A great political philosopher (either Rouseau or Hobbes) once said that human dignity was stemmed from having responsibility and control over one's life. Americans are proud; their personal responsibility at the forefront of their lives. UK people tend to be apologetic whiners who live in a culture of entitlement and expect their governm,ent to provide their wealth. And they have fewer babies. And they beg angry asian mobs not to riot too much.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/budget/5219642/Sir-Michael-Caine-warns-further-tax-rises-will-force-him-to-move-abroad.html
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Also, you've still failed to explain how American healthcare is better... we've got a better or equal life expectantcy
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Who would fly to the UK for health treatment?? (aside from Somali or Moroccan refugees) Millions travel to the US and hire whichever doctor they choose. Enjoy your taxes. Enjoy your 1.4 children. And enjoy watching the UK disappear. I'll be at the Bellagio pool with a doctor on speed dial; an opportunity that EVERY American has, contrary to the UK. |
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