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thoreau
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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 Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: The Good Old USA |
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/12/missouri.child.sexual.abuse/index.html
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A sixth person was arrested Thursday on suspicion of child sexual abuse in an investigation that led to the arrest of five members of a Missouri family, and authorities found additional victims in the case...
The six alleged victims -- all now adults -- came to law enforcement authorities with stories of sexual performances, mock weddings, rape with various objects and a forced abortion during their childhoods.... |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33895944/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
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A mother of seven is accused of running a house of horrors for pets at her suburban home, forcing her children to help torture them and burying at least 20 dogs in her backyard.
Douglas McDonough, 21, who turned his mother in to authorities on Nov. 5, called the home "a concentration camp for the animals" in comments to reporters after the arrest.
"She would have the oldest kids hold down the dog while we duct-taped his mouth and she would hit him," he said, adding that he and his sisters were all forced to take part in the abuse. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| At least the media in America reports these stories. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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when it comes to the sexual exploitation of children and animal cruelty...
U.S. courts, U.S. police, U.S. media and the U.S. public opinion are all CLEAR on SPEAKING UP on the wrongness of the issues
that is a sign of a great NATION (I am not American, but I respect that aspect).
as opposed to a country where its public shuts up about it, its media doesn't report it, its police don't investigate it and should somehow a rare case go to trial, its courts don't prosecute the offenses much if at all |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: Re: The Good Old USA |
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| thoreau wrote: |
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/12/missouri.child.sexual.abuse/index.html
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A sixth person was arrested Thursday on suspicion of child sexual abuse in an investigation that led to the arrest of five members of a Missouri family, and authorities found additional victims in the case...
The six alleged victims -- all now adults -- came to law enforcement authorities with stories of sexual performances, mock weddings, rape with various objects and a forced abortion during their childhoods.... |
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I am not sure of the connection between these two stories, but this first one is reminiscent of the Satanic Ritual Abuse cases of that same period in which this is alleged to have occurred. You may recall that in them children at various daycare centers were alleged to have been sexually abused on a regular basis, having various sharp objects shoved into all sorts of orifices, forced to watch baby sacrifices, all happening at sites with large plate glass windows and, where parents could arrive unannounced at any time of day, and from which the kids arrived home smiling each day. Dozens of people were convicted, some getting ridiculous sentences, many of whom have not had their convictions overturned and still languish in prison.
It was the "forced abortion during their childhoods" that struck me. Unless they are using a non-biological definition of "childhood," a child would never need an abortion. And why did the alleged victims just come forward now?
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Man that's real modedited up. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| I am not sure of the connection between these two stories, but this first one is reminiscent of the Satanic Ritual Abuse cases of that same period in which this is alleged to have occurred. You may recall that in them children at various daycare centers were alleged to have been sexually abused on a regular basis, having various sharp objects shoved into all sorts of orifices, forced to watch baby sacrifices, all happening at sites with large plate glass windows and, where parents could arrive unannounced at any time of day, and from which the kids arrived home smiling each day. |
The allegations do sound very similar to those in the 80s/90s SRA panic.
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| Investigators on Wednesday were searching the property that once belonged to one of the brothers for "a body or bodies," Lafayette County Sheriff Kerrick Alumbaugh said. The search continued Thursday and will resume Friday, police said. |
I recall that in the SRA hysteria, there were numerous cases of mass graves being alleged, and then the cops digging up the property and finding nothing. I guess we'll know in a few days if there is anything more substantial to these new allegations. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| OP, is there some point you're trying to make? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
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| I am not sure of the connection between these two stories, but this first one is reminiscent of the Satanic Ritual Abuse cases of that same period in which this is alleged to have occurred. You may recall that in them children at various daycare centers were alleged to have been sexually abused on a regular basis, having various sharp objects shoved into all sorts of orifices, forced to watch baby sacrifices, all happening at sites with large plate glass windows and, where parents could arrive unannounced at any time of day, and from which the kids arrived home smiling each day. |
The allegations do sound very similar to those in the 80s/90s SRA panic.
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| Investigators on Wednesday were searching the property that once belonged to one of the brothers for "a body or bodies," Lafayette County Sheriff Kerrick Alumbaugh said. The search continued Thursday and will resume Friday, police said. |
I recall that in the SRA hysteria, there were numerous cases of mass graves being alleged, and then the cops digging up the property and finding nothing. I guess we'll know in a few days if there is anything more substantial to these new allegations. |
That's right. It was a travesty, and many people are still imprisoned over these clearly bizarre allegations. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The OP is making the point that the USA is weird. However there are much more good things about the USA than bad. For instance, I'm here teaching in Korea because of past actiions by the US. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| there are much more good things about the USA than bad. For instance, I'm here teaching in Korea |
 So, a good thing about the USA is that you are not there? Or, it is so good that you had to leave it to get a job? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| there are much more good things about the USA than bad. For instance, I'm here teaching in Korea |
So, a good thing about the USA is that you are not there? Or, it is so good that you had to leave it to get a job? |
The job opportunity to work in South Korea exists because its not ruled by Kim Jong Il. His father was kicked out by the USA and Britian. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I think someone is writing about being allowed to teach in S. Korea partly due to the efforts of Americans during the Korean war. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think a good thing about the USA is that these things are discovered and prosecuted there. These things happen the world over; people are people after all. There are plenty of places in the world where the law would not bother to deal with such a thing, especially regarding the animal abuse. I'm disappointed in my fellow citizens when they do things like this, but I'm happy my country tries to deal with these problems instead of quietly ignoring them.
So yes, the good old USA indeed. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I think a good thing about the USA is that these things are discovered and prosecuted there. These things happen the world over; people are people after all. There are plenty of places in the world where the law would not bother to deal with such a thing, especially regarding the animal abuse |
I agree about the animal abuse, but overprosecution, witch hunts, and hysteria, as occurred in the SRA cases, are not good.
You are aware, are you not, that the US incarcerates its citizens at a higher rate than any country in the world (at least those for which we have figures), and its blacks at a rate higher than that of apartheid
South Africa?
Errors in the justice system are numerous and include the death penalty which has often been wrongfully applied.
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| So yes, the good old USA indeed. |
Yes, very good, but we can make it better. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| I think a good thing about the USA is that these things are discovered and prosecuted there. These things happen the world over; people are people after all. There are plenty of places in the world where the law would not bother to deal with such a thing, especially regarding the animal abuse |
I agree about the animal abuse, but overprosecution, witch hunts, and hysteria, as occurred in the SRA cases, are not good.
You are aware, are you not, that the US incarcerates its citizens at a higher rate than any country in the world (at least those for which we have figures), and its blacks at a rate higher than that of apartheid
South Africa?
Errors in the justice system are numerous and include the death penalty which has often been wrongfully applied. |
I agree the United States excessively incarcerates, and I think I've been clear about how I feel about the death penalty as well. I'll be honest, my response to the original post was mostly in reference to the animal right's case; I didn't read much about the other link.
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| So yes, the good old USA indeed. |
Yes, very good, but we can make it better. |
Yes, we can make it much better. Decriminalizing drug usage and ending the death penalty are two good first steps steps we can take. I'd also like to see sex crimes handled more intelligently. We should never lose our drive for self-improvement. |
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