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beckett



Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Location: Ireland

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Winter Camps wtf !? Reply with quote

Ok so had meeting about my winter camp today with another school and I am freaking out big time.They have asked me to supply a ridiculous amount of lesson plans in two weeks time.On top of this a load of materials / music etc. In fact the direct quote was "We need to make a book!". I did not get to meet with other NET's so I have no clue what is going on.All I know is that the topics are music, cooking , sport , science and the body.Is it normal for them to drop a bombshell like this on teachers? I mean I have an open class this week and 25 reports to write on an after school class this week aswell as my normal lessons. I know I will be able to make pancakes and play sport and maybe watch a movie for part of the camp but it's a ridiculous amount of work in 2 weeks ?? I feel like my head is going to explode. I am obviously a newbie and did not expect this all

Whats everybody's winter camp schedule like ?
Any tips or good websites to blag some stuff off ?
Cheers in advance !
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beckett



Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Location: Ireland

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just spotted the music section on this site some good stuff on there
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rationality



Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Some where in S. Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they probably mean about the book is that they want you to just print out a bunch of worksheets relating to those topics you mentioned.

You still have another month and a half to go. Just search some ESL websites for free worksheet handouts, and consolidate and stack them together, and hand them to your co-teacher. She will know what to do with them.

Then you may have to make up some lesson plans that don't have to be too detailed for each day you teach during camp.

And if you are having some trouble with obtaining all the worksheets, then ask your co-teacher to help you out with it. You co-teacher may have some stuff on file from her/his previous camps.

Don't freak out too much. It will come in due time. I know others will probably give you some links to help you out. I can't right now, I am on the road. Good luck.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you could suggest they buy a single ESL textbook from the bookstore and simply photocopy the first few lessons. I have spent hours editing books and changing page numbers because of some neurotic @#$holes who only lost the thing when the camp was finished-- but ultimately this is always acceptable-- they usually don't care about copyrights, and definitely don't offer to make a table of contents or change page numbers, because it's hellish. But it beats writing a new one.

And yes... you can usually find lesson plans online. Actually... you'll probably be able to to do up a textbook from a single site.
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask them for the books from previous camps and most of your work is done. There is no reason to try and reinvent the wheel. Also, teachers usually take one section/theme and teach it to a number of different groups during the camp. Ask about that and offer to take the one that interests you the most. It is pretty unreasonable to think that you would have to plan the entire camp for all the other teachers.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Winter Camps wtf !? Reply with quote

beckett wrote:
Is it normal for them to drop a bombshell like this on teachers?

You mean, to not inform you until the very last minute about a big decision that affects you and then being rushed (bali bali) to get it done quickly, like right now?

Never heard of such a thing in this country. Wish I could sympathize, but that is just crazy.
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am actually wondering about this myself.

My summer camp was one week at one school (8 classes per day) and one week at another school (interrupted by a family tragedy). The first school now wants to expand the camp from 1 week morning/afternoon to 3 weeks morning classes only without any pay increase. Then I'd have the one week at the other school.

Are there any rules or restrictions on what public schools can do regarding these camps? If they wanted to, could they just have you work straight through the vacation in a summer camp program?

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Love your sarcasm Van. Though the last-minute BS comes from the school being poorly organized and not planning ahead rather than them waiting a long time just to screw you over.
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

superuberbob wrote:
I am actually wondering about this myself.

My summer camp was one week at one school (8 classes per day) and one week at another school (interrupted by a family tragedy). The first school now wants to expand the camp from 1 week morning/afternoon to 3 weeks morning classes only without any pay increase. Then I'd have the one week at the other school.

Are there any rules or restrictions on what public schools can do regarding these camps? If they wanted to, could they just have you work straight through the vacation in a summer camp program?


Bump for an answer.

I mean, I'm pretty sure they can. I just want to check to be 100% sure.
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buildbyflying



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: To your right. No, your other right.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
1- SMOE is pushing Summer and Winter camps and it looks like most of us will have to work 3 weeks in summer and 3 in Winter (either district or school camps).

2- Your school can give you extra camps on top of the three weeks but if that screws up your vacation badly you can talk to your school and they'll probably be reasonable.

3- If you don't use all your vacation days (meaning the 21 regular days not the two weeks extra you get it you resign) you can't carry them over to the next contract so they'll be lost.

4- Nobody knew anything about when camps were or where they were yet.

5- They e-mailed me these Contract changes and Renewal attachments on Friday.

6- When we leave SMOE we get a lump sum one month salary per year we've been with SMOE. If you resign and you want your bonus early (the one month extra pay) you can apply for it and possibly get it early. There is a fund for people who want to get their bonuses early.


This was the email sent en masse to all the SMOE NETs. "They'll probably be reasonable" means they can make you do whatever the hell they want. At some point though you just have to put your foot down.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Winter Camps wtf !? Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
beckett wrote:
Is it normal for them to drop a bombshell like this on teachers?

You mean, to not inform you until the very last minute about a big decision that affects you and then being rushed (bali bali) to get it done quickly, like right now?

Never heard of such a thing in this country. Wish I could sympathize, but that is just crazy.


Please tell me this is sarcasm.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

superuberbob wrote:
Love your sarcasm Van.

Thanks.
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

superuberbob wrote:
superuberbob wrote:
I am actually wondering about this myself.

My summer camp was one week at one school (8 classes per day) and one week at another school (interrupted by a family tragedy). The first school now wants to expand the camp from 1 week morning/afternoon to 3 weeks morning classes only without any pay increase. Then I'd have the one week at the other school.

Are there any rules or restrictions on what public schools can do regarding these camps? If they wanted to, could they just have you work straight through the vacation in a summer camp program?


Bump for an answer.

I mean, I'm pretty sure they can. I just want to check to be 100% sure.


They can have you do camp every day of the winter break, if they want to. However, it can't exceed 22 classes a week.

You were doing 8 classes a day? How did that work out?
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When they say that they need to make a book, they mean that they will take all the lesson plans from all the teachers and compile them into one book. Each lesson plan you do can be extremely simple. Ask them for a template; in Ulsan they provided us with a template that we just fill in for each lesson.

AFAIK, lesson plans in advance of camp are standard practice here. I've done both winter and summer camps and we were required to submit lessons about a month before the camps started.

The topics that they give you are intentionally vague. You can teach anything you wish as long as it falls under that topic. So for music, you can choose to teach about Korean music, American pop, classical, whatever you want. You can also do worksheets, games, listening activities, etc. It's totally your choice. I always have a bit of trouble coming up with ideas so look at lesson plans and activities on the internet.

Keep in mind that you don't have to make amazing detailed plans, just basic details are fine. And you can also change them once you start teaching.

As far as pay goes, check your contract. For EPIK, anything over 22 hours per week is extra pay. However, the contract is worded that they can actually have you teach 22 class hours per week, which means if classes are 40 minutes long you must teach 33 classes with no extra pay. It's stupid, but that's how the contract works. It's something that I really wish they would re-word properly. Of course, any teaching outside of M-F 9-5 is paid at overtime rate of 30,000 won/hour.

For vacation time, sometimes your main school and camps overlap and plan for you to teach such that you can't use your vacation. Simply talk to your VP or the MOE and have them sort it out. Make sure that you are firm in saying that you must take your vacation time as it's in your contract, but try to be flexible with the dates. I split my vacation time (conveniently) such that I spend two weeks in Canada for Xmas and a week in Thailand in February. My VP wasn't happy about me missing some February classes but it was necessary to use my vacation days.
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Shackleford wrote:
superuberbob wrote:
superuberbob wrote:
I am actually wondering about this myself.

My summer camp was one week at one school (8 classes per day) and one week at another school (interrupted by a family tragedy). The first school now wants to expand the camp from 1 week morning/afternoon to 3 weeks morning classes only without any pay increase. Then I'd have the one week at the other school.

Are there any rules or restrictions on what public schools can do regarding these camps? If they wanted to, could they just have you work straight through the vacation in a summer camp program?


Bump for an answer.

I mean, I'm pretty sure they can. I just want to check to be 100% sure.


They can have you do camp every day of the winter break, if they want to. However, it can't exceed 22 classes a week.

You were doing 8 classes a day? How did that work out?


They did that because I only had 21 classes/week for the semester (2 of the 21 were after school classes with 6 people attending).

Technically, they shouldn't have been permitted to do that and I should have received overtime. I knew that. However, I wanted to pick my fights a bit more wisely. I didn't want to pick a fight over this and have them try to screw around with me for the remainder of my contract, especially since I had a really good relationship with the administration. Heck, they let me stay home over the break when I wasn't doing camp.

But overall, camp was great. I taught two classes for 4 periods each: one morning basic class and an afternoon advanced class. Seriously, a whole lot of fun. Told my co-teacher that she could go to her office if she wanted and that I'd call her if I needed some help.

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The new administration is pretty meh on the whole NET thing. They know I'm leaving at the end of my contract and don't want any problems between us. At the same time, they don't want to get too close either. Neither friend nor foe.
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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look here:

http://iteslj.org/t/tmm/

There may be some activities you can use.
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