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Will Canada and the US be virtually indistinguishable??
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youtuber



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Will Canada and the US be virtually indistinguishable?? Reply with quote

Michael Moore seems to think so with respect to health care

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/091117/health/health_michael_moore_health

I think there is just too much money to be made in healthcare in Canada for us to resist US style care.

And considering that we live our lives very similarly in every other way, I think the two countries will merge closer and closer together in every way.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leaving aside the reality of more than two health systems on earth. Moore was last seen talking about Canada when saying we don't lock our doors at night. A decade later, and he still hasn't taken the time to get to know the country.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Will Canada and the US be virtually indistinguishable?? Reply with quote

youtuber wrote:
Michael Moore seems to think so with respect to health care

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/091117/health/health_michael_moore_health

I think there is just too much money to be made in healthcare in Canada for us to resist US style care.

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Well there are many Canadians who would staunchly oppose you on that view.

And considering that we live our lives very similarly in every other way, I think the two countries will merge closer and closer together in every way.


This is true enough except that Canadians tend to abhor the American system, unless it means by-passing long waiting lists in Canada. I doubt very much that many Canucks would be jumping up and down to change to a more American system.
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youtuber



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Well, with the right marketing and "spin" I think it's possible for the AIGs and Blue Shields of the US to infiltrate Canada. After all, the US marketing machine sure seems to be doing a good job convincing the yanks that our system sucks.

And their most marketable idea would be faster service. Wouldn't you be willing to pay for faster service? I would, to a point.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, Canadians who want faster service and are willing to pay for it can get it now just by crossing the border.

Why would people want to change when we've got the best of both worlds already?


And furthermore, suppose there would be enough who can't afford to cross the border, but who want faster service.....

If the system became like the American model, they couldn't afford health care services in Canada either, so what would be the point of changing?

The whole idea makes no sense.
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youtuber



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, because the difference between crossing the boarder with no insurance versus paying for health insurance is tens of thousands of dollars.

By the way, did you know that you can pay to have surgery in Vancouver?

And in Alberta, we can buy "Waiting List Insurance" that lets us jump the queue. And we can buy MRIs.

So private medicine is already here. And I think it will proliferate.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time will tell. Yes, those things have been going on for years and people have been very vocal on both sides of the argument.
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thomas pars



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no. simply because Canada defines their culture by how they are not
America.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in my forties and lived in Canada most of my life. I have yet to meet one of these fabled people who cross the border to buy medical procedures. Like the Loch Ness monster, perhaps they exist.

In my lifetime, Canada has become less British and more American in culture. Nevertheless, health care is one of those non-negotiables in Canada. It's been around since the 60s and it will not be given up without a tremendous fight. It would be the third rail of politics.

I like Michael Moore's books and movies, but he knows beans about Canada. There is more to the country than southern rural Ontario. Someone who seems to have such a global outlook should be better informed than to think homeowners in Winnipeg don't lock their doors.
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youtuber



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomas pars wrote:
no. simply because Canada defines their culture by how they are not
America.


I dunno, it's kind of funny how we think we are so different isn't it?? I mean, in Korea, I could be talking with someone for an hour and have no idea if they are from Oregon or Ontario. There are some differences to be sure, but really, they are slight. And we are becoming more like them every day.


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youtuber



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
I'm in my forties and lived in Canada most of my life. I have yet to meet one of these fabled people who cross the border to buy medical procedures. Like the Loch Ness monster, perhaps they exist.


I have travelled to Cincinatti (I am Canadian) to meet a "world famous" knee surgeon. I never had surgery, but I consulted with him. Knee surgery down there would have cost me a minimum of $20,000US.

It is not common, but people do it. But it is much more likely that private insurance will start to pop up here and there rather than remaining at the status quo. You know why? Because people like me are willing to pay for it. The tricky part is to make sure that it doesn't go past the tipping point like the US has.

And honestly, both systems suck.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

come on! First Mcdonald's then Starbuck's, then american health care, then finally a big chest of money and more, just like England did to Scotland, and finally the canadian capital is Washington.
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PIGFACESOUPWITHRICE



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
come on! First Mcdonald's then Starbuck's, then american health care, then finally a big chest of money and more, just like England did to Scotland, and finally the canadian capital is Washington.


Really, I thought it was Ottowa?
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if the Canadian gov't decided to cut personal income tax by 50% accross the board in exchange for allowing a private health care system,
then perhaps more Canadians would get on board.

As it is, I expect many will be opposed just on principle.
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youtuber



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Right. There would need to be a huge reduction in taxes. This would actually help our economy greatly.
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