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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:03 am Post subject: Help me build a computer? Going next week to Yongsan! |
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Like the title says. Buying/Building a computer within the next few weeks. Probably going to that ICODA store mentioned in the other thread but would like a list of parts beforehand...
Only problem is, I havent built a Computer since the 600MHz days...so don't know jack about new tech.
Heres what I want to be able to do
-Play current games (MW2, Dragon Age, Batman, etc...doesnt have to max out the FPS, but would like a decent graphics card)
-Run 720p rips and play them (my dell mini cannot do this, though ive read that they can with the right drivers)
My budget is around 800WON. Not including monitor.
If you have any monitor suggestions that would also be great. A monitor that I can watch TV on...
THANK YOU!!!! |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Here's a nice intel quad set-up. You might want to upgrade a bit to a Q9400 -- only another 54,000 won.
http://www.icoda.co.kr/i_product/pro_diy_orange.html?it_num=115804
Your budget is a smidge low for an i5 (assuming you have to pay extra for Windows 7). If you aren't paying for it, and are downloading it somehow, then look at their i5 models.
Whatever you get, be sure to upgrade to 4gb of Ram, and go with a 9600GT graphics card... that should be enough. HDD size is your choice.
As for TV monitors, LG and Samsung both have models that are this way. You'll have to take a look at them there, but they both seemed very nice. They'll run you around 300,000 to 320,000 I think. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the above, except, you may want to get an ati card. They've been doing pretty well lately. A 9600gt is pretty good and cheap, but I would venture to guess you'll get a longer life out of an ati 4,000 or 5,000 series card. They'll cost a little more, but it's a difference of around 50,000 won.
Also, 800won for a computer? |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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no idea what a i5 is.
if i upgrade to windows7 is it backwards compatible with older games?
is AMD just as good as Intel chips these days? I want the computer with the least amount of hassle. 
800,000WON you silly goose |
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detourne_me
Joined: 26 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Every game I've tried so far works on Windows 7.
I definitely recommend ICODA, seriously if I was buying a new system i'd go there in a heartbeat.
Also, listen to these guys on here, they know what they're talking about.
On other forums I post on my info wasn't quite as timely (or as good price-wise) |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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no idea what a i5 is.
if i upgrade to windows7 is it backwards compatible with older games?
is AMD just as good as Intel chips these days? I want the computer with the least amount of hassle.
800,000WON you silly goose |
i5 is the new lower end cpu released by intel (I say lower end, but it's blistering fast.) The models are i5, i7 and probably i9 in the future (6 core cpu) If you buy i5, you won't be able to upgrade to i9 (6 core.)
the Qxxxx and Exxxx chips are the older models, which are cheaper, still really fast and the motherboards for them are less than half price of the i5. If you want to save money, build one of these, for what you use the rig for, the Q and E socket 775 series are fine imo(although when ripping you would see a big improvement with the i5.) Socket 775 is a dead motherboard standard though, so don't expect to upgrade to the new cpus next year (unless you buy a low end chip now and buy one of the higher end ones for very cheap next year.)
I might suggest going socket 775 and then getting a better video card as you do like to game. Perhaps the amd 4850/4870 series, or at the very least get a 9800GT (there are a ton of cheap pre built rigs in Yongsan with those cards and the Exxxx cpu series.) the 9600gt is going to give you some problems in certain games (although the ones you mention will run fine on that card.)
Another alternative is buy i5 with the 9600gt as the guy suggested and then upgrade the video card when you need to, but this will cost you more than building a 775 rig. make sure whichever you build you get 4GB of ram (2 x 2 GB sticks.)
AMD is not as good as intel these days, however they are incredibly reasonably priced and the motherboards are very cheap. (also AMD rarely update their motherboard socket, so future upgrades are likely going to be possible for a while, until the new architecture comes out, I suspect.) Consider this option for a budget buy.
An upgrade to windows 7 will likely still play a lot of your older games, you will have too check each game forum individually for info on this. As a rule, if they run on vista, they run on windows 7. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hugekebab said all I want to say really......
I think you need to make the main choice first.......
whether to spend roughly 800,000 on a pretty fast LGA775 system.....
or save a bit and go for a competent AMD system....
or spend about a million for an i5 system. Faster than the other two and more future-proof.
If you choose the CPU, then we can better recommend other parts.
Whatever you choose, I think you would regret the 9600GT......not a good card........look at the ATI HD4770 or HD4850....great value cards at around 130-150,000. |
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arama
Joined: 28 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I brought a really high end system at the start of the year from yongsan, ended up costing a hell of a lot, 2.3 mill won, or something around there. Was an 920 i7 (which means expensive mobo, ram, etc) zalman case 850watt psu, cpu cooler, fans, WD 2TB drives, HD screen, camera. 2X 4870 in crossfire, and other stuff.
I ended up going to icoda. You could run around all the little stores yourself, and save you a bit of money, or get icoda to run around for you! Heaps easier, but they charge a bit more, although you can haggle down a bit. And there's some really nice guys who speak english there, one of them even helped carry the computer and boxes all the way to ipark station! (it was freaking heavy)
Anyway good luck, hope it works out for you. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
no idea what a i5 is.
if i upgrade to windows7 is it backwards compatible with older games?
is AMD just as good as Intel chips these days? I want the computer with the least amount of hassle.
800,000WON you silly goose |
the Qxxxx and Exxxx chips are the older models, which are cheaper, still really fast and the motherboards for them are less than half price of the i5. . |
I think you meant to say i7 here. The i5 boards are at the 100,000 won range (for the p55m series). You can upgrade the i5 to an i7 on that board, but you will miss out on triple-channel RAM, which is a pretty big thing to miss out on. If you are buying an i7, BE SURE it has the triple-channel board along with it. I'm seeing some low-priced i7 computers based on the p55m chipset, which is a waste of the i7's capabilities, IMHO. For the i5, that's just fine, though (if you never intend to upgrade, like me).
The "proper" i7 triple-channel boards are more pricey. Once again, the downside of the i5 is that it is dual-channel memory compared to triple-channel for the i7, and the i5 doesn't have hyperthreading. But the i5 is faster than 95% of the quad line. I have an i5 system, and I love it. Excellent value for the price.
Currently the best deal IMHO, for a smidge less, you can get into an intel Q9550 system. There's 12 meg of cache on that chip, and it is said to multi-task better than an i5 (although you're almost splitting hairs at these speeds). It's productivity scores are better than the i5, so it's probably a bit better at many real-world applications. You can upgrade to that chip for around 50,000-100,000 more over the cheaper I-coda 8400 quad offerings online. It's very similar in efficiency to the i5. See the link below for specs comparing the two.
As for not being able to upgrade to a 6-core chip later on the i5's p55m platform... who needs that?? I'm more worried about not breaking the bank with energy costs as it is (and the next i5 coming in the spring is to be another 20 percent efficient on top of that). That's where an i5 shines compared to an i7... saving quite a bit. The i5 is basically 90% of an i7 in terms of speed, anyway. For me, if I were a heavy gamer, I'd spend more on the graphics card anyway. If it came down to it, I'd even consider a basic quad over an i5 and spend more to get a really great graphics solution.
But the i7 is currently the fastest thing going, if that's your thing:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-10.html |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
no idea what a i5 is.
if i upgrade to windows7 is it backwards compatible with older games?
is AMD just as good as Intel chips these days? I want the computer with the least amount of hassle.
800,000WON you silly goose |
the Qxxxx and Exxxx chips are the older models, which are cheaper, still really fast and the motherboards for them are less than half price of the i5. . |
I think you meant to say i7 here. The i5 boards are at the 100,000 won range (for the p55m series). You can upgrade the i5 to an i7 on that board, but you will miss out on triple-channel RAM, which is a pretty big thing to miss out on. If you are buying an i7, BE SURE it has the triple-channel board along with it. I'm seeing some low-priced i7 computers based on the p55m chipset, which is a waste of the i7's capabilities, IMHO. For the i5, that's just fine, though (if you never intend to upgrade, like me).
The "proper" i7 triple-channel boards are more pricey. Once again, the downside of the i5 is that it is dual-channel memory compared to triple-channel for the i7, and the i5 doesn't have hyperthreading. But the i5 is faster than 95% of the quad line. I have an i5 system, and I love it. Excellent value for the price.
Currently the best deal IMHO, for a smidge less, you can get into an intel Q9550 system. There's 12 meg of cache on that chip, and it is said to multi-task better than an i5 (although you're almost splitting hairs at these speeds). It's productivity scores are better than the i5, so it's probably a bit better at many real-world applications. You can upgrade to that chip for around 50,000-100,000 more over the cheaper I-coda 8400 quad offerings online. It's very similar in efficiency to the i5. See the link below for specs comparing the two.
As for not being able to upgrade to a 6-core chip later on the i5's p55m platform... who needs that?? I'm more worried about not breaking the bank with energy costs as it is (and the next i5 coming in the spring is to be another 20 percent efficient on top of that). That's where an i5 shines compared to an i7... saving quite a bit. The i5 is basically 90% of an i7 in terms of speed, anyway. For me, if I were a heavy gamer, I'd spend more on the graphics card anyway. If it came down to it, I'd even consider a basic quad over an i5 and spend more to get a really great graphics solution.
But the i7 is currently the fastest thing going, if that's your thing:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-10.html |
No I didn't mean i5, I'm talking about the old socket 775 boards. They are currently much cheaper than i5 and even cheaper than i7, which is fairly overpriced in Korea, especially in view of the fact it's only really a 20-30% speed increase. I'm basically putting forward 775 as an even cheaper option for the OP. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: |
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I brought a really high end system at the start of the year from yongsan, ended up costing a hell of a lot, 2.3 mill won, or something around there. Was an 920 i7 (which means expensive mobo, ram, etc) zalman case 850watt psu, cpu cooler, fans, WD 2TB drives, HD screen, camera. 2X 4870 in crossfire, and other stuff.
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Wow.....nice machine......I'm very very jealous. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| No I didn't mean i5, I'm talking about the old socket 775 boards. They are currently much cheaper than i5 and even cheaper than i7, which is fairly overpriced in Korea, especially in view of the fact it's only really a 20-30% speed increase |
Horribly overpriced......I reckon the vendors know so few Koreans actually buy high-end so they jack up the price to make a good profit when they do sell a few bits and pieces.
My local computer shop guy really thought I was joking when I told him I plan to build an i5 system with an HD5850 in January.......as if anyone would buy that kind of stuff when you can just get a unitech mobo, an Intel E-series and a Legend 9600GT!!
He seemed to think i5 and HD5800 series were out of this world mega high-end stuff.... |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| arama wrote: |
I brought a really high end system at the start of the year from yongsan, ended up costing a hell of a lot, 2.3 mill won, or something around there. Was an 920 i7 (which means expensive mobo, ram, etc) zalman case 850watt psu, cpu cooler, fans, WD 2TB drives, HD screen, camera. 2X 4870 in crossfire, and other stuff.
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Wow.....nice machine......I'm very very jealous. |
Yeh, that's sweet, all it needs is an SSD and it will fly! Get one next year when the prices will be down. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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