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Seriously, why would you want to work at a Uni?
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Seriously, why would you want to work at a Uni? Reply with quote

Pros: vacation, sometimes pay

Vacation is a con for me because I'd go nuts with that much time off and I'd end up spending a lot of my savings


Cons: beaurocracy, insolent petty students, evaluations of you, grading, pay, lack of job security and that's all I can think of for now.


I currently make 2.7 at a public school and I am very happy and I don't have to deal with all the BS that comes with working at a university. So why go through with it?

I've read enough posts to know to stay away from universities. I just don't get it so please enlighten me.

Of course I'm not talking about tenured professors at elite universities in Korea. You are an anomaly.

I'm talking about the 2.2 million guy working 12 hours a week who has to put up with a bunch of bs.

Please don't mention status cause trust me no one in Korea looks up to you because you work at a university except aforementioned anomaly above.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cons: beaurocracy, insolent petty students, evaluations of you, grading, pay, lack of job security and that's all I can think of for now.

I had all of those things in larger quantities when I worked in a hogwan, and I make considerably better wages now than the peanuts then. I also like having more time off and have things I like to do. My uni is fairly decent.

If you have a good public school job that is well paid and you are happy, that's wonderful. I do not think that's generally the case, at least from reading Dave's.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But what about the prestige?? Laughing
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withnail



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:

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Cons: beaurocracy, insolent petty students, evaluations of you, grading, pay, lack of job security and that's all I can think of for now.


The conditions in many universities are exactly as you describe. But I guess people want to get on the ladder to eking out the Holy Grail - the teacher-friendly university with no BS, decent pay and long vacations with an option to work them and double your money (vacations are paid) or head off back home or into the sun!

These jobs are out there, but it's getting increasingly hard to find them without a related MA and Korean university experience.

So that's what a lot of us are doing - racking up the experience and waiting for the day.

But in my view, whilst I've heard some uni horror stories, the basic deal beats the crap outta most other jobs in Korea - and I know because I've done most of them in my time.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two reasons:

1) Vacation. This is a priority for me. I want time in the summer to spend with friends and family, and time in the winter to explore exciting parts of the world (preferably warm ones).

2) Lesson Preparation Time. I love having low teaching hours because it keeps my enthusiasm high when I'm teaching, and I can put lots of time and energy into giving great lessons.

I used to work in a public school, but I hated the environment: hierarchy, nosy co-workers, too many students, etc. Teaching at an adult hagwon was really great except for the lack of vacation.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: Seriously, why would you want to work at a Uni? Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
Pros: vacation, sometimes pay

Vacation is a con for me because I'd go nuts with that much time off and I'd end up spending a lot of my savings


Cons: [sic]beaurocracy, insolent petty students, evaluations of you, grading, pay, lack of job security and that's all I can think of for now.


I currently make 2.7 at a public school and I am very happy and I don't have to deal with all the BS that comes with working at a university. So why go through with it?

I've read enough posts to know to stay away from universities. I just don't get it so please enlighten me.

Of course I'm not talking about tenured professors at elite universities in Korea. You are an anomaly.

I'm talking about the 2.2 million guy working 12 hours a week who has to put up with a bunch of bs.

Please don't mention status cause trust me no one in Korea looks up to you because you work at a university except aforementioned anomaly above.


Bitter much?

Wink
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll tell you why, Z. Because.....meh, nevermind.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I turned down a fairly good uni position.

I wouldn't want to teach that agegroup. I also like to be busy every day... not have only 2 classes per 24 hours. I'm probably a rare exception, but I prefer teaching kids...not adults. Adults can be too demanding, complex and tricky in my exp. Teaching kids on the other hand.. is fun. I enjoy my job.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: Seriously, why would you want to work at a Uni? Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
I've read enough posts to know to stay away from universities. I just don't get it so please enlighten me.


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Pros: vacation, sometimes pay

Vacation is a con for me because I'd go nuts with that much time off and I'd end up spending a lot of my savings


Yes, but for those of us with an iota of imagination long vacations are good, and on those vacations when we are not feeling imaginative we can work and make double or triple our normal salaries.


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Cons: beaurocracy, insolent petty students, evaluations of you, grading, pay, lack of job security and that's all I can think of for now.


Bureaucracy is minimal, I've had nearly no insolent or petty students, I'm not afraid of evaluations, my pay is better than what you posted, and there are people at my present university who have are pushing 15 years.

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I'm talking about the 2.2 million guy working 12 hours a week who has to put up with a bunch of bs.


Although you got me at the 12 hours bit, I make a good deal more than 2.2 and put up with no more BS than a normal person.


I get paid well, I love the work environment, and my students are great. What other reasons do I need?
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Mithrae



Joined: 22 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. I have absolutely no interest in five month vacations. People with uni. jobs like to boast about it, but I seriously doubt that they really enjoy such long holidays. After a couple of weeks off I'm itching to get back to work. Five months of diddling would drive me insane. I like teaching - I have no interest in taking five months vacation from it.

Secondly, who would want to work at a university that hires people with four year degrees and calls them professors. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy And the brilliant thing is, these people with undregrad degrees dress up in suits and walk about with airs - as if they actually were professors. If I want to be a professor I'll get my PHD (I already have a Masters) and get a job as a real professor back home. Not 'pretend play' being a professor in Korea. Shocked
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Mithrae



Joined: 22 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
I turned down a fairly good uni position.

I wouldn't want to teach that agegroup. I also like to be busy every day... not have only 2 classes per 24 hours. I'm probably a rare exception, but I prefer teaching kids...not adults. Adults can be too demanding, complex and tricky in my exp. Teaching kids on the other hand.. is fun. I enjoy my job.


Ditto.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mithrae wrote:
I agree. I have absolutely no interest in five month vacations. People with uni. jobs like to boast about it, but I seriously doubt that they really enjoy such long holidays. After a couple of weeks off I'm itching to get back to work. Five months of diddling would drive me insane. I like teaching - I have no interest in taking five months vacation from it.

Secondly, who would want to work at a university that hires people with four year degrees and calls them professors. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy And the brilliant thing is, these people with undregrad degrees dress up in suits and walk about with airs - as if they actually were professors. If I want to be a professor I'll get my PHD (I already have a Masters) and get a job as a real professor back home. Not 'pretend play' being a professor in Korea. Shocked



Bravo your life. Take a rest.
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ntwrightsmom



Joined: 19 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's a terrible job. Don't apply. Wink Wink Wink

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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the people who object to 5 months of vacation:

I have to say that is a rather strange objection. If you don't want to take the time off, then it will often be possible to teach summer or winter classes. Also, depending on the university, it may even be possible to get permission to work at other jobs during your summer and winter vacations. Finally, I might add some people like to spend some of that vacation time getting papers published.


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thomas pars



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*beep*
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