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moped



Joined: 14 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: references Reply with quote

Can a person get a teaching position at a public school without any references? I have a friend who wants to teach, but has burned all his bridges. Hence, the desire to teach in Korea. Rolling Eyes
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just how badly burnt are the bridges?
Does he know any people of standing in the community?
e.g. law-enforcement, justice, religion, or education?
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moped



Joined: 14 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Just how badly burnt are the bridges?
Does he know any people of standing in the community?
e.g. law-enforcement, justice, religion, or education?


Dunno. I suppose he may. He graduated from college around ten years ago, so I know he thinks the idea of going to a professor who doesn't even remember him is not going to work.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I do in that situation is get the last employer whom I left or was fired by to write a 'letter of attendance.'

It will say who I am and the dates I worked at their company as well as my duties and responsibilities. Get it on company paper ans signed. Tellt he new employer that is how they write their referances.

Have been doing it for years with zilch problemos.

They are bound by law to issue you this type of letter and the great thing about it is they dont include their opinion of you or how well you carried out said duties and responsibilities.

Good luck.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:
All I do in that situation is get the last employer whom I left or was fired by to write a 'letter of attendance.'

It will say who I am and the dates I worked at their company as well as my duties and responsibilities. Get it on company paper ans signed. Tellt he new employer that is how they write their referances.

Have been doing it for years with zilch problemos.

They are bound by law to issue you this type of letter and the great thing about it is they dont include their opinion of you or how well you carried out said duties and responsibilities.

Good luck.


I absolutely second this. Where I used to work it's actually against policy to write a letter of reference but instead due what is described above mainly due to litigation etc...

The problem with this is it's not really a reference letter and the chance of Koreans understanding this is pretty slim.

If your really desperate just use a friend. They probably won't call him/her and if they due just have him wing it.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^ Atucally I've always given it to new employers as a refereance and they've always accepted it thus (even though I'm really kinda cheating a little, but hey ho, thats the world of business...)
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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in a previous teaching job was in Korea and there was a difficulty or problem or a runner etc, then this will probably be found out anyway, (with or without reference letters) as the EPIK and offices of education have certainly recently taken to phoning previous schools [public or hagwon] in Korea to check on the applicant's history.

This has happened with some public school positions. I'm not sure if it happens much in hagwons, but Im sure many directors do phone the previous director to get ' insight'.

I know of a teacher who applied for a public school and he wanted to declare his 2 years teaching in Korea so he could get the higher salary level 1 . He had not provided any reference letters from these schools, just employment certificates with the dates of his contract. Unfortunately one of his previous schools was phoned and reported he was always taking sick days and often late for work. He was not given an interview on that report.

If your friend has burnt a lot of bridges, he had better get his resume well sorted in case these phone calls are made anyway.
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KuroBara



Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Location: Goyang-Si with a bit of Paju mixed in

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Along this vein, sort of, I want my co-teacher to write a recommendation for me, but she is worried about her English level. I think she's pretty good, good enough for this, but she is concerend. Has anyone found a decent template, or can you give me some advice on what to have her say other than "She's never killed a student?" I want to keep it simple, but I want it to be as professional as possible too.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you ask her to write the reference letter in Korean and then translate it later together?
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's get serious... there are tons of jobs going unfilled here.

I'm sure you can find jobs that won't require reference letters.
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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are the "tons of jobs" ? you speak of. Please tell?

I'm not seeing them.
If anything I see the opposite and there are few good jobs now to get right now. I'm just seeing desperate recruiter ads rolling out lists of jobs that don't exist or are offering amzing locations and 'hook in' jobs in Seoull of offering 2.5-3 million.
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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KuroBara wrote:
Along this vein, sort of, I want my co-teacher to write a recommendation for me, but she is worried about her English level. I think she's pretty good, good enough for this, but she is concerend. Has anyone found a decent template, or can you give me some advice on what to have her say other than "She's never killed a student?" I want to keep it simple, but I want it to be as professional as possible too.


Just write it for her and have her sign it if she agrees with what it says. Par for the course.
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ldh2222



Joined: 12 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:43 am    Post subject: Re: references Reply with quote

moped wrote:
Can a person get a teaching position at a public school without any references? I have a friend who wants to teach, but has burned all his bridges. Hence, the desire to teach in Korea. Rolling Eyes


No, look in another field of work.
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my coteacher write me one in Korean. It's a really nice one! I might have a friend help me translate it properly and give her an English copy to sign later.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blonde researcher wrote:
Where are the "tons of jobs" ? you speak of. Please tell?

I'm not seeing them.
If anything I see the opposite and there are few good jobs now to get right now. I'm just seeing desperate recruiter ads rolling out lists of jobs that don't exist or are offering amzing locations and 'hook in' jobs in Seoull of offering 2.5-3 million.


I find it rather funny how you raise your argument.

You start off questioning the idea of "tons of job" and then MAGICALLY place an adjective in front of jobs...oh... poof... look at that... suddenly you include the word "good".

How many jobs get offered on Dave's each day?

Don't actually "quote" my post and then start misquoting it and putting words in my mouth right below it. I said there are tons of jobs.... and there are. If you can't find a job in Korea as an English teacher somewhere, then you have a serious problem with your resume.
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