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beck's
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 Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: So, How's the Hope and Change Going for you So far? |
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So what do you think about President Obama after little more than a year?
Out of control deficits and a spiriling national debt.
A currency crisis with a falling American dollar
President Obama bowing and scraping to every tin-pot emperor in the name of cultural sensitivity
Civil trials for the masterminds of 9/11 in New York
American soldiers being sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to die for a gradual withdrawal while Iran, which is two ticks away from having a nuclear arsenal, destabilizes Afghanistan
The biggest terror attack on American soil since September 11, 2001
Can anyone add anything? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: So, How's the Hope and Change Going for you So far? |
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| beck's wrote: |
| President Obama bowing and scraping to every tin-pot emperor in the name of cultural sensitivity |
please |
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Street Magic
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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If you want more people to believe Obama was a poor choice, you're probably going to have to provide a realistic alternative. Would you have put Palin in power?
PS: The bailout was Bush's and our economy would be pretty terrible no matter who got a crack at office. Also, there were over twice as many killed at the Virginia Tech shooting as there were killed at the recent Fort Hood shooting, meaning the only significance to the Fort Hood one is the guy's connection to Islamic extremism/"terror," and it's kind of silly to pin stuff like that on whomever our figurehead in chief at the time happens to be. But by all means, go ahead and explain how we need to install a war time dictatorship for the sake of overcoming "terror." And maybe "drugs" and "sex offenders" too as long as we're in the practice of demonizing vague catchall terms. |
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youtuber
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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I feel that there is very little that the president can do to make major change in the US anyways.
So it doesn't really matter who gets in. S/He is just a figurehead. Kind of like Buckingham Palace. Bush was just a puppet. |
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Triban
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| youtuber wrote: |
I feel that there is very little that the president can do to make major change in the US anyways.
So it doesn't really matter who gets in. S/He is just a figurehead. Kind of like Buckingham Palace. Bush was just a puppet. |
This. |
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PIGFACESOUPWITHRICE
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I think he's a good writer. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| PIGFACESOUPWITHRICE wrote: |
| I think he's a good writer. |
You mean good at reading from a teleprompter. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
| If you want more people to believe Obama was a poor choice, you're probably going to have to provide a realistic alternative. Would you have put Palin in power? |
Ron Paul would have been a million times better. Talk is cheap, but he's been talking about ending the Fed for decades (long before it was cool to do so). He was for letting the zombie banks go bust, instead of throwing trillions of dollars down a black hole and debasing the currency. He'd also stop both wars immediately and bring the troops back home.
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| PS: The bailout was Bush's and our economy would be pretty terrible no matter who got a crack at office. |
No, the vast majority of bailouts were handed out by the Obama adminstration (hardly surprising seeing as the ex-NY Fed chairman is his Treasury Secretary, and people like Larry Summers are calling the shots). Obama works for Wallstreet, period. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: So, How's the Hope and Change Going for you So far? |
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Out of control deficits and a spiriling national debt.
A currency crisis with a falling American dollar
American soldiers being sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to die for a gradual withdrawal while Iran, which is two ticks away from having a nuclear arsenal, destabilizes Afghanistan
September 11, 2001 |
These things all happened or where happening under Bush too.
Anyway about Obama.
My portfolio is up 20% since Election Day and so is almost everyone's I know.The Dem's and Obama are trying to pass a health care bill. I like that! He has done a lot with what was given to him. |
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Street Magic
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Street Magic wrote: |
| If you want more people to believe Obama was a poor choice, you're probably going to have to provide a realistic alternative. Would you have put Palin in power? |
Ron Paul would have been a million times better. Talk is cheap, but he's been talking about ending the Fed for decades (long before it was cool to do so). He was for letting the zombie banks go bust, instead of throwing trillions of dollars down a black hole and debasing the currency. He'd also stop both wars immediately and bring the troops back home. |
I agree he would have been a good choice from what I've heard of him so far (although there have been some allegations about his involvement with white supremacy groups which may or may not have any truth to them), which is a big part of why I threw in the qualifier "realistic." Ross Perot was the most successful third party candidate in some eighty years and he was a joke, so I doubt Ron Paul would have much luck if he went that route in the future. Ron Paul might have done alright/might do alright in the future if he had/will receive full Republican backing, but as you well know the guy isn't exactly in line with the mainstream Republican agenda.
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| PS: The bailout was Bush's and our economy would be pretty terrible no matter who got a crack at office. |
No, the vast majority of bailouts were handed out by the Obama adminstration (hardly surprising seeing as the ex-NY Fed chairman is his Treasury Secretary, and people like Larry Summers are calling the shots). Obama works for Wallstreet, period. |
The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 was signed by Bush in October. The individual bailouts may have been handed out during the Obama administration, but the Bush administration authorized $700 billion in the first place. It's not like they were going to authorize $700 billion only to end up not spending it. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: So, How's the Hope and Change Going for you So far? |
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| My portfolio is up 20% since Election Day and so is almost everyone's I know. |
Why do you think that is? |
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No_hite_pls
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: So, How's the Hope and Change Going for you So far? |
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| mises wrote: |
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| My portfolio is up 20% since Election Day and so is almost everyone's I know. |
Why do you think that is? |
Because interest rates are so low that many people moved their money into the stock market from Bonds/CDs and the stock market was so low that it had nowhere to go but up. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: So, How's the Hope and Change Going for you So far? |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
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| My portfolio is up 20% since Election Day and so is almost everyone's I know. |
Why do you think that is? |
Because interest rates are so low that many people moved their money into the stock market from Bonds/CDs and the stock market was so low that it had nowhere to go but up. |
Which isn't actually a plus. But of equal importance is the increasing prevalence of high frequency trading etc. There is no relationship between price and value.
I mention this because while you might like your 20% now, the Obama folks are setting the system up for an even bigger crash. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm kind of disappointed actually. I really thought by now everybody would be a gay-married Muslim convert. I guess campaign promises are just made to be broken. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: So, How's the Hope and Change Going for you So far? |
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| beck's wrote: |
| Out of control deficits and a spiriling national debt. |
I agree Obama hasn't done enough to reverse this trend, but it's a trend that's been going on for a long time now, and is realistically probably beyond his powers as President to stop. The real culprits here are the American public, for not holding their elected representatives responsible for this behavior in any real sense of the word. Humans behave in an incentive driven fashion; if there's an incentive for congressmen to be financially irresponsible (and there are many), and no corresponding greater incentive for them to be financially responsible (such as the threat of speedy removal from office), of course they're going to be financially irresponsible.
When the American public starts truly demanding financial responsibility, and voting in accordance with those demands, we'll see change. Until then, no amount of complaining about the symptom while ignoring the illness will do anything.
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| A currency crisis with a falling American dollar |
Same as above; he hasn't really worked against it in any way, but the real causes here extend far beyond -- and reach back to before -- his Presidency.
| beck's wrote: |
| President Obama bowing and scraping to every tin-pot emperor in the name of cultural sensitivity |
I don't like this, personally. I think it's fairly minor, but still distasteful.
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| Civil trials for the masterminds of 9/11 in New York |
I approve of this. Holding people indefinitely without trial is ridiculous. If you believe in the American Justice System, then you should approve of this. If you don't believe in the American Justice System, then what you should be complaining about is the state of the American Justice System itself, rather than who is tried under it.
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| American soldiers being sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to die for a gradual withdrawal while Iran, which is two ticks away from having a nuclear arsenal, destabilizes Afghanistan |
These wars were bad ideas from the start. I feel the American people have suffered enough as a result of them to learn any lesson they're going to learn about needless war (which will probably be a short-lived education at best), and it's time to disengage entirely.
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The biggest terror attack on American soil since September 11, 2001
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Come on. Sooner or later, something was going to happen again, and by definition, it would be the "The biggest terror attack since September 11th." Nothing the President can do can prevent occasional damage being done by individuals willing to sacrifice themselves to cause the damage. |
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