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More bad PR for Korea
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Joe666



Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Location: Jesus it's hot down here!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a spanking!! 8 out of 17. Pure blood? Say it aint so!!
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
fermentation wrote:
A great example of this is my own mother, who complains to me that the Vietnamese girls marrying Korean farmers are "polluting" our blood.

Rolling Eyes Does she tell you that you have to marry a Korean as well?


She used to, but now she knows I don't listen to such asinine drivel.
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ashland



Joined: 05 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: More bad PR for Korea Reply with quote

Old Gil wrote:
This time from Foreign Policy:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/11/17/the_president_the_professor_and_the_wide_receiver

Mostly a rehash of the NY times article but I did like this line:

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The South Korean media -- which constantly trolls for news of any successful ethnic Koreans abroad -- heralded him as a victor and one of Korea's own.


and from Ward's mother (an old quote):

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"What do you think would have become of us if I had kept living here with Hines? He would probably never have been able to be anything but a beggar. Do you think I would even have been able to get work cleaning houses?"


The more articles like this the better (about any country really).

This stat was interesting too:

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This year, the Ministry of Food, Agriculture, Forestry, and Fisheries found that half of children born in rural Korea will be biracial.


who cares?
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: More bad PR for Korea Reply with quote

ashland wrote:

who cares?


You care enough to have logged on and post that comment.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc_jc wrote:
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Koreans seem to consider themselves to be racially distinct from other Asians.


This really made me laugh-A LOT!!!

Koreans ARE NOT and NEVER WERE a racially pure ethnic group.
Many Koreans could easily trace their lineage to the Chinese, Mongolians and even Japanese- all of whom had a foot hold in Korea over the centuries until 1953. However, many chose to erase those links for fear of being labelled as "impure" or "mixed", somthing that until now was considered taboo in Korean society.


Well, there really is no such thing as a "racially pure ethnic group," it's always a mythical narrative invented by politicians, historians, etc. to justify a nation-building project.

On the other hand, one of my former bosses, probably the coolest ajosshi I know, while asking me for a translation of some Chinese poetry that he was studying, proudly told me that his ancestors are Chinese, and pointed to his wide, flat nose as evidence of it. I was kind of surprised he would readily admit having Chinese "blood."
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Old Gil



Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've said before, a better term would be 'ethnicism' but that word does not exist. The fact that Korean is not a race does not make Koreans who think themselves to indeed be a separate and superior race not racist. I could say that only white guys of a certain height from the my area of Illinois are a race and that all others are inferior, and obviously my arbitrary and flat out stupid definition of the word 'race' does not in any way change the fact that I would be a racist by thinking in that way.

Really, the roots of their conception of race on a linguistic level are pretty hazy and taken directly from the dirty dirty Chinese anyway. The term 민족 that Koreans are so fond of throwing around comes from the Chinese 民族-'minzu', a rather poorly defined term to begin with, perhaps "people clan" if translated literally character by character.

Korean living in China or their descendants who moved back to Korea are called "조선족"--the same "족/族". Obviously they are not of a seperate 족 from the Koreans who never left the peninsula, in some cases its a matter of two generations all of the sudden making them into a new 족. However this word is used anyway, further creating a false division within the society between the elect and the outside.

Of course the 조선족 aren't a separate race, but they're looked down upon by a lot of Koreans as untrustworthy and dishonest, and that itself is a racist viewpoint, whether or not there are actually two races involved in the discrimination. If one group believes itself to be superior based on an erroneous conception of blood/tribe/race, it is enough.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: More bad PR for Korea Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
ashland wrote:

who cares?


You care enough to have logged on and post that comment.


I have noticed that Ashland has a tendency to make a lot of inane comments consisting of one or two words.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
A great example of this is my own mother, who complains to me that the Vietnamese girls marrying Korean farmers are "polluting" our blood.
I'm just curious because that sort of thing is what I read only on expat boards and have never actually heard from real-life Koreans. I can't imagine my parents saying something like that. What Korean words did she use to say "polluting our blood"?
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