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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| beck's wrote: |
For an American president to bow to a foreign emperor is totally against everything the USA stands for. |
Lots of presidents have bowed to foreign dignitaries, including many of your favourites.
The bow is a sign of greetings and respect, much like the dirty handshake we in the West use.
Don't be so ethnocentric, if you do not like bowing, what are you even doing in Korea? |
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beck's
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Since 1776 no American president has bowed to a foreign monarch. Obama completely broke with American protocol when he did so. He symbolically put himself and by extension America in a subservient position.
Sure, I bowed when I was in Korea. However, I am not the president of the USA.
What really bugs my a-- is that Obama is held to a different standard because he is an African American. Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a minute. Can you imagine a white American presidential candidate spending 20 years, almost every Sunday, listening to a white supremacist preacher and then dedicating his book to the man? What would his chances be of gaining the oval office? Obama did this. He idolized Rev. Wright. Wright is a racist who uses his pulpit to spew his bile and yet Obama sat, Sunday after Sunday, and listened to this man.
Did Wright influence Obama? Most certainly. Take the recent case of Professor Gates as an example. Gates is one of the highest paid humanities teachers in the US and a regular contributor of public radio. When asked for id by a white working class cop he immediately played the race card. Nothing unusual there except that immediately Obama jumped on board defending Gates against the white cop.
Then, when a Muslim attacks Fort Hood Obama immediately says, "Let's not jump to conclusions." What kind of hypocracy are we dealing with here? What kind of double standard are we allowing to take place in our political discourse? |
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DIsbell
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Marc Ravalomanana
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Bowing_to_Mao.html
nixon bowed to Mao Zedong. |
That's supposed to be somehow comparable to Obama's kowtowing?
That's not even a bow, if you ask me. More like a vigorous nod of assent that implicates the torso. Eisenhower's action toward De Gaulle was closer to a true bow, but even that does not compare to Obama's act of submission.
A few things to note next time you study Obama's bow:
1. the crown of his head is level with the highest portion of his back.
2. his legs are tilted back to counterbalance the extreme forward lean, estimated at 45 degrees.
3. he has rendered himself shorter than a man who looks to be about 5'1".
There is simply no comparison.
Oh. Almost forgot:
4. in an atrocious breach of Japanese etiquette, Obowma attempts to shake the horrified Japanese emperor's hand as he bows. |
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DIsbell
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| 4. in an atrocious breach of Japanese etiquette, Obowma attempts to shake the horrified Japanese emperor's hand as he bows. |
so which is it? are you mad at Obama's "kowtowing" to foreign culture/customs, or are you mad that he's not following them well enough? |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Marc Ravalomanana wrote: |
| DIsbell wrote: |
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Bowing_to_Mao.html
nixon bowed to Mao Zedong. |
That's supposed to be somehow comparable to Obama's kowtowing?
That's not even a bow, if you ask me. More like a vigorous nod of assent that implicates the torso. Eisenhower's action toward De Gaulle was closer to a true bow, but even that does not compare to Obama's act of submission.
A few things to note next time you study Obama's bow:
1. the crown of his head is level with the highest portion of his back.
2. his legs are tilted back to counterbalance the extreme forward lean, estimated at 45 degrees.
3. he has rendered himself shorter than a man who looks to be about 5'1".
There is simply no comparison.
Oh. Almost forgot:
4. in an atrocious breach of Japanese etiquette, Obowma attempts to shake the horrified Japanese emperor's hand as he bows. |
This is ridiculous are you saying that Obama bowing to the Japanese Emperor (our ally for more than sixty years) is worse than Nixon bowing to Mao (the man that killed millions and wrote many books on how much he hated America).
Right-wingers hate of Obama truly has no end. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| beck's wrote: |
| Since 1776 no American president has bowed to a foreign monarch. Obama completely broke with American protocol when he did so. He symbolically put himself and by extension America in a subservient position. |
So what of substance will result? Are the Japanese about to put one over on us as a result? Does the emperor even have any political pull?
Nothing, no, and no. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| Marc Ravalomanana wrote: |
| DIsbell wrote: |
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Bowing_to_Mao.html
nixon bowed to Mao Zedong. |
That's supposed to be somehow comparable to Obama's kowtowing?
That's not even a bow, if you ask me. More like a vigorous nod of assent that implicates the torso. Eisenhower's action toward De Gaulle was closer to a true bow, but even that does not compare to Obama's act of submission.
A few things to note next time you study Obama's bow:
1. the crown of his head is level with the highest portion of his back.
2. his legs are tilted back to counterbalance the extreme forward lean, estimated at 45 degrees.
3. he has rendered himself shorter than a man who looks to be about 5'1".
There is simply no comparison.
Oh. Almost forgot:
4. in an atrocious breach of Japanese etiquette, Obowma attempts to shake the horrified Japanese emperor's hand as he bows. |
This is ridiculous are you saying that Obama bowing to the Japanese Emperor (our ally for more than sixty years) is worse than Nixon bowing to Mao (the man that killed millions and wrote many books on how much he hated America).
Right-wingers hate of Obama truly has no end. |
These guys have been drinking too much of the Glenn Beck Kool-Aid. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| These guys have been drinking too much of the Glenn Beck Kool-Aid. |
...spiked with 3 tablespoonsful of overcompensation. |
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beck's
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the vid of Nixon and Mao. I think we have to put the two bows, the Obama one and the Nixon one, into some form of historical context.
Nixon was like a kid in a Candy store when he went to China. He was a bungler and a very transparent president. Nixon couldn't even stage a third rate burglery with any success and then when he tried, he saved the audio recordings of the caper. IMO, his bow (if it was a bow and not a head nod) was done on the spur of the moment without thinking. Nixon was literally spinning with the significance of the moment.
President Obama, on the other hand, is not a spontaneous guy. With him, everything is carefully orchestrated to acheive the maximum political benefit for Obama, not for America. His bow is symbolic of how he sees America's declining influence and prestige in the world. He is showing the world that America is no longer number one. By bowing he is commenting on America's lost glory. Nixon most certainly was not.
IMO, Obama is not only a commentator on the decline of the USA but also, through his fiscal policy, a perpetrator of the same decline. |
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