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Mithrae



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:20 pm    Post subject: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

My friend is looking for a job. He's here on a tourist visa while he looks for one. A recruiter phones him today, and during the conversation he says he's here in Korea now on a tourist visa, has his documents ready, and is ready to work.

Recruiter tells him that it's illegal to apply for jobs in Korea while visiting on a tourist visa. WTF! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

Illegal to apply for jobs while on a tourist visa. Give me a griggin break.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

Mithrae wrote:
! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

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I believe the immigration of any country has that power in regards to visitors.
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jpotter78



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

Mithrae wrote:
My friend is looking for a job. He's here on a tourist visa while he looks for one. A recruiter phones him today, and during the conversation he says he's here in Korea now on a tourist visa, has his documents ready, and is ready to work.

Recruiter tells him that it's illegal to apply for jobs in Korea while visiting on a tourist visa. WTF! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

Illegal to apply for jobs while on a tourist visa. Give me a griggin break.


The recruiter is right and wrong. It is illegal to come here on a tourist visa for the specific purpose of looking for jobs. But that is the job of immigration at the airport to turn away those people. Once they receive a tourist visa, they are free to do what they want.
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Ramen



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

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I believe the immigration of any country has that power in regards to visitors.


And I believe he has to have an interview with K-embassy if it's his first time teaching in Korea.
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Mithrae



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

jpotter78 wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
My friend is looking for a job. He's here on a tourist visa while he looks for one. A recruiter phones him today, and during the conversation he says he's here in Korea now on a tourist visa, has his documents ready, and is ready to work.

Recruiter tells him that it's illegal to apply for jobs in Korea while visiting on a tourist visa. WTF! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

Illegal to apply for jobs while on a tourist visa. Give me a griggin break.


The recruiter is right and wrong. It is illegal to come here on a tourist visa for the specific purpose of looking for jobs. But that is the job of immigration at the airport to turn away those people. Once they receive a tourist visa, they are free to do what they want.


Exactly. Once in, noone can tell anyone how to spend their free time. Once again, Urban Myth should be ignored.
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Netz



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration changed many of their rules a few years ago, with the specific intent of trying to prevent people from doing exactly what your friend is trying to do. One of the ways they've implemented this is by requiring you to interview for your E2 from a Korean Embassy (outside Korea). There are also CBCs, and diploma checks, that may require some time to obtain.

I don't know how difficult it has made it to do what you're friend is attempting, but apparently they were somewhat successful if the recruiters don't want to deal with it anymore.

Let us know what happens, because this is exactly what caused a large a number of people to leave Korea a few years back.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

Mithrae wrote:
jpotter78 wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
My friend is looking for a job. He's here on a tourist visa while he looks for one. A recruiter phones him today, and during the conversation he says he's here in Korea now on a tourist visa, has his documents ready, and is ready to work.

Recruiter tells him that it's illegal to apply for jobs in Korea while visiting on a tourist visa. WTF! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

Illegal to apply for jobs while on a tourist visa. Give me a griggin break.


The recruiter is right and wrong. It is illegal to come here on a tourist visa for the specific purpose of looking for jobs. But that is the job of immigration at the airport to turn away those people. Once they receive a tourist visa, they are free to do what they want.


Exactly. Once in, noone can tell anyone how to spend their free time. Once again, Urban Myth should be ignored.


You have only proven that you should be ignored. So once in we can do anything we want, including illegal actions which is what your friend is doing?

Once again you are wrong. Immigration conducts raids on hakwons every now and then to catch people on a tourist visa. It's not just about monitoring the airport.

Stop giving misleading advice and information.
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Mithrae



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working on a tourist visa is illegal. Applying for work while on a tourist visa is not illegal, unless you begin working on that visa. My friend has no intention of working on a tourist visa. He will go to Japan, get his E-2, then begin working legally. If his hagwan gets raided he has nothing to worry about.

Sheeesh!
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mithrae wrote:
Working on a tourist visa is illegal. Applying for work while on a tourist visa is not illegal, unless you begin working on that visa. My friend has no intention of working on a tourist visa. He will go to Japan, get his E-2, then begin working legally. If his hagwan gets raided he has nothing to worry about.

Sheeesh!



You asked how can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while visiting Korea.

And I said I believe the immigration of any country has that power in regards to visitors.

There are certain things that visitors to certain countries can not do. And Immigration is perfectly entitled to inform them of these restrictions.
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Netz



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mithrae wrote:
Working on a tourist visa is illegal. Applying for work while on a tourist visa is not illegal, unless you begin working on that visa. My friend has no intention of working on a tourist visa. He will go to Japan, get his E-2, then begin working legally. If his hagwan gets raided he has nothing to worry about.

Sheeesh!


I think that you need to interview at the Embassy in your county of origin, but could be wrong. Again, there was quite a gnashing of teeth over all the changes in the past.

Keep us posted.
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supernaut



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

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I believe the immigration of any country has that power in regards to visitors.


While your response was technically right, it was really pointless and I have to wonder why you wrote it. I don't know you and don't spend much time on eslcafe, but it seems you really enjoy going against other people and annoying people in general.

As for looking for jobs on tourist visas, I came in the country in May and talked to immigration. They asked me what I was coming to Korea for. I answered, "I plan to look for a job, while living with friends. I will also travel outside of Seoul a bit." He asked a few more friendly questions and I was in.

I had a little problem getting my ticket to Korea from Bangkok because I didn't have a return ticket, but a quick phone call with immigration and it was settled

It's starting to be a hassle to get the E2 visa and some recruters don't want to deal with visa runs (not in your home county)
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter said the stupidest thing. Reply with quote

supernaut wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
! How can immigration tell anyone what they can or can't do while sitting at their computer while visiting Korea?

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I believe the immigration of any country has that power in regards to visitors.


While your response was technically right, it was really pointless and I have to wonder why you wrote it.

I wrote it in response to what I saw as wrong information.

I don't know you and don't spend much time on eslcafe, but it seems you really enjoy going against other people and annoying people in general.

Like you said "I don't know you and don't spend much time on eslcafe..." so this seems fairly pointless, no? As an aside you might want to check out the contract sticky thread. There are quite a few people there who would seem to have opposite views to yours.

As for looking for jobs on tourist visas, I came in the country in May and talked to immigration. They asked me what I was coming to Korea for. I answered, "I plan to look for a job, while living with friends. I will also travel outside of Seoul a bit." He asked a few more friendly questions and I was in.

Not quite sure what the point of this story is... Each Immigration office is a law unto itself. You can talk to ten different officers from ten different offices or even the same office...and get ten different stories. Maybe you caught a break. Maybe they've relaxed the laws...who knows? Other people have had troubles with that.

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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have all your documents, you don't even have to go for a visa run for a public school job if you're on a tourist visa and you've already had an E2 visa.
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Mithrae



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a guy on Dave's a few years back called 'Austen' who used to rile everybody, and try to pull people down all the time. People got so annoyed with him, that he got banned by the Mods. I have often suspected that Urban Myth was the return of Austen under a different name.
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way back in March 2007, I actually did come to Korea after doing a little bit of traveling in Japan, for the purpose of sightseeing. Only after I had been in Seoul for a few days, did I become interested in the prospect of working in Korea. Then, one of my Korean friends helped me set up a job interview at a hagwon. I don't see anything wrong with what I did. At any rate, it certainly wasn't my original intention.

Really, this is such a grey area. Why should people be forced to interview from overseas without meeting their prospective employers in person? To forbid someone from going to job interviews while traveling as a tourist, is silly. This is both to the disadvantage of the employer and applicants.

As for which embassy you must interview at for the visa, this is to some degree irrelevant. After all, a person can go to a job interview as a tourist and then go back to their home country to interview at the embassy there.
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