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What you LIKE (like, like-like) about the USA
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: US likes Reply with quote

nero wrote:

Could you please refute my ideas without petty name calling.

I actually think the 'what do you hate' thread is just as ridiculous as this one. A lot of what people dislike about the States is rampant in most western countries - well, the 6 or 7 that I have lived in in any case.
My point is - if you would care to look past what you obviously consider a personal slight against your country - that there is a teeny tiny slight tendency of Americans to put themselves first over and above every other country as if no other countries exist in the west, when in reality they are not that different.

I understand that you are writing about what you like about your country. Fine. But can you understand why it is annoying?
For example if I was to write things I liked about Australia, I wouldn't put its diversity, or that we have 'freedom', because I know that most other countries have these things and it is nothing special.

Why must you have to always make yourselves feel unique and special?
It is a peculiar trait.


I re-read my post several times, and I could not find an instance of 'petty name calling' or name calling at all for that matter (that says a lot about you).

You know what is peculiar? People from other western countries who bash on Americans tend to claim that we "have to always make [our]selves unique and special". Yes, all we do is go around whooping and screaming about how great we are. I, for one, have never done that and most Americans that I know aren't that way either. Let me throw your question back at you: do you understand why it is annoying?

I do not sense any malice in this thread among Americans who have posted good qualities about the States towards any other country. Maybe some people are praising micro brews, national parks, diversity, etc. in the States because those are the only ones they have experienced or they enjoyed them more in the States than in other places or they are different in the States than in other places? Do you not understand how that would make sense?

But don't take it from me, I'm just an ultra-nationalistic American, like all my countrymen.

THIS is what really got me mad, by the way: "Why must you have to always make yourselves feel unique and special?
It is a peculiar trait."

Why is it always, "you Americans this, you Americans that"?

Just admit it, you don't like Americans. Don't try to disguise it with all this passive-aggressive BS. That's fine with me if that's with your opinion. It's when people say things like the above quote that make me furious.

I'm done trying to reason with you, I'd probably pop an artery out of frustration. It's obvious you are set in your biases. Notice that I haven't applied any ludicrous generalizations to any other western nation, like you have.
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Pluto



Joined: 19 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New York City, hands down, is the best city in the world.

Disclaimer: This is only an opinion, I don't mean to say NYC is the absolute best city.
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: US likes Reply with quote

I like the restraint, shown by the US. It's the most dangerous country on the planet: if it chooses to be. They could have nuked the USSR, several times over, but won the cold war through other means. Kissinger suggested nuking Hanoi, during the Vietnam war, too, but that idea was quickly scotched. Can you imagine a world where the Soviet Union or China was the dominant power? Would they follow protocol, or have any serious considerations for human rights or environmental issues?

There's a lot more to like about the US, now that GWB has gone, too, imho. 'Tall Poppy syndrome', is alive & well, I see. If it wasn't the US, it would be the UK, China or Russia being sniped instead.

No country is perfect, nero. I'm surprised that you lived in 5 States, as long as you did, if you allegedly hated it so much. Maybe you should try a stint in Dhaka, Bangladesh, before you truly appreciate what living in a first world country means?


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classydame



Joined: 03 Aug 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. I better think about what I like/appreciate about the U.S. before I leave it, eh?

1. Food/drink. Lots of variety, delicious beers & wines. American cuisine isn't steeped in centuries of tradition, so there's a lot of room for creative and delicious experimentation.

2. Variety of cultures. Remember those old commercials about Texas being like a whole other country? There's distinct differences in culture/vibes in NYC, New Orleans, and Twin Falls, Idaho. You don't have to leave the country to get a change of pace.

3. DIY culture in music, art, and media. There's a lot of stuff out there, but if what you want is not available, there are resources available to do it yourself.

4. Purple mountain majesties, fruited plains, and all that pretty nature stuff.

5. People are generally pretty direct, or at least easy to read.

I know there's probably more, but this is a good start:)
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Perceptioncheck



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Re: US likes Reply with quote

chris_J2 wrote:
I like the restraint, shown by the US. It's the most dangerous country on the planet: if it chooses to be. They could have nuked the USSR, several times over, but won the cold war though other means. Kissinger suggested nuking Hanoi, during the Vietnam war, too, but that idea was quickly scotched. Can you imagine a world where the Soviet Union or China was the dominant power? Would they follow protocol, or have any serious considerations for human rights or environmental issues?

There's a lot more to like about the US, now that GWB has gone, too, imho. 'Tall Poppy syndrome', is alive & well, I see. If it wasn't the US, it would be the UK, China or Russia being sniped instead.

No country is perfect, nero. I'm surprised that you lived in 5 States, as long as you did, if you allegedly hated it so much. Maybe you should try a stint in Dhaka, Bangladesh, before you truly appreciate what living in a first world country means?


I realize that this is a thread about things you like (like) about the US, but your post has made me go a little bit like this Shocked

America remains the only country that has used atomic bombs in a war. I would hardly call that restrained. Sure, they didn't use nukes during the Vietnam war but they dropped a helluvalot of regular bombs, not only on 'nam but also on Cambodia and Laos. Restrained? Er, no. And whats more, I've met very few Americans who could place Laos on a map or know why the Khmer Rouge came to power.

We've all heard about the human rights abuses in Iraq. Most Americans I know admit they drive everywhere when they're at home. Sometimes I think Americas international reputation as being a bastion for environmentalism and human rights is more because of media lip service than action. But I've never been to the states so I can't say from first hand experience.

NOW, before I get LAMBASTED Twisted Evil Twisted Evil for posting negative things on your "hooray, America! Like, like like!" thread, I have to point out that I am NOT America bashing.

I know there is a thread for that.

But surely I am allowed to write a reasoned response to a post I disagree with? Isn't that part of the reason for Internet forums?

One thing I do dislike about America (what the hell, while I'm here) is this fear of "America-bashing". I live with three Americans and we can't have a conversation about international politics or even their country; it's like they're afraid of any critisism at all. Why is that?

Anyway, I guess that's why the threads are split up. One for the haters, one for the lovers. Don't you think it's kind of sad there can't be a dialogue between the two?
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:13 am    Post subject: Like about the US Reply with quote

Perceptioncheck, I was thinking more along the lines of the macro, big picture. There was no all out nuclear war with the Soviet Union or China, despite an out of control arms race between the 2, for decades. Agreed, the micro picture is not so pretty, with a number of proxy wars fought against Communism (Korea, Vietnam eg). Maybe it's the American people that exercise restraint, rather than the Government? Politicians who go too far, are voted out of office by those same people. Or impeached, as in Nixon's case.

This would not happen in Iran or Burma. Or North Korea, the only true Stalinist State left. But enough of politics.

I admire the 'can do' attitude of Americans. Nothing is too big or too complex to at least try, for them. And they more often than not, succeed, inspiring the rest of the world to follow suit. Most Americans don't have a problem with criticism, provided it's justified.


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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you would like a dialogue, please make a thread for it. You will note that while these threads are set up as binaries, the posters themselves are not. Many of us posted in both threads, myself included.

As I stated in the original posting, this thread isn't about bashing or belittling other countries or cultures. It's not even meant to assert that ONLY America has the things listed. However, I have experienced the awesome creativity of my homeland. I have not taken in very much (or any) Swedish street/poster art. Sorry. I'm sure it's great. But I don't know. So, I will say that I really like street art in American cities.

I also love that I CAN love and hate the USA at the same time and it's totally okay.

Also, Thanksgiving!! Happy Turkey Day everyone.
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classydame



Joined: 03 Aug 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the topic at hand!

5. American men are pretty hot, especially in the Northwest.

6. A lot of the cities are pretty easy to find your way around in.
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Perceptioncheck



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DorkothyParker wrote:
If you would like a dialogue, please make a thread for it. You will note that while these threads are set up as binaries, the posters themselves are not. Many of us posted in both threads, myself included.

As I stated in the original posting, this thread isn't about bashing or belittling other countries or cultures. It's not even meant to assert that ONLY America has the things listed.


So sorry, but I was merely pointing out that forums are usually a place where dialogues happen. That you would keep a thread about the positives of America dialogue-free is, in itself, telling.

Yes, yes, yes. . .I know there's another thread but there seems to be plenty of back and forth on that without anyone stomping their feet or throwing these Rolling Eyes about.

Jus' saying.

And I believe I suggested having a dialogue or a rational arguement, which does not equate to 'bashing' or 'belittling' your country. Why is this always the knee-jerk reaction?

Honestly, I can think - for example - that the very existence of fan-fiction is a death knoll for a generations originality rather than an exciting new creative outlet. Could be interesting to discuss and hell, who knows? You might change my opinion. But whatever, you don't want to talk about it.

Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving to all you Americans. Hope you celebrated in style, Dorothy Parker. By the way, Roller Derby also rocks my socks off and I love how diverse the States sound. Okay? I contributed. Very Happy
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Fermentator75



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the many beautiful beaches in Southern California filled with all of the beautiful California girls and transplants from other states... the most beautiful girls in the world.

You don't believe me? Just ask the Beach Boys because they've been all around this great big world and they've seen all kinds of girls and they couldn't wait to get back in the states, back to the cutest girls in the world.
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rusty1983



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fermentator75 wrote:
I'm sure Bill Hicks read those books too.. he was into taking acid... maybe if you dropped some LSD you might come up with some ideas of your own? I doubt it since you seem to be the poacher type... more like Dane Cook not Bill Hicks.


There you go with the hippy stereotypes. Sorry for having an opinion that wasnt the same as yours.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: US likes Reply with quote

[quote="chris_J2"]I like the restraint, shown by the US. It's the most dangerous country on the planet: if it chooses to be. They could have nuked the USSR, several times over, but won the cold war though other means. Kissinger suggested nuking Hanoi, during the Vietnam war, too, but that idea was quickly scotched. Can you imagine a world where the Soviet Union or China was the dominant power? Would they follow protocol, or have any serious considerations for human rights or environmental issues?

Except under Stalin the USSR was not particulary more dangerous than the USA. In fact the USSR backed down during the cuban missile crises to avoid world war III. I seriously suspect that there was some justification for the Soviets to invade Afghanistan too. China on the other hand under Mao was extremely dangerous, even thier fellow communists the soviets detested Maos craziness.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today, I really love American Thanksgiving Very Happy

We need more feasting holidays! Forget Christmas, it should be Christmunch! But, then again, that really wouldn't change anything for the Catholics Shocked Laughing
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: USA Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan#Background

The Russians primarily got involved to support the Communist Govt of Afghanistan, (DRA) in 1978, and they did not want a Shariah Law State (Mujahideen). The Taliban took over in 1989.

The opponents in the war were the Mujahideen, supported (covertly) by:
Pakistan
United States
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Egypt
United Kingdom
PRC

Agreed, Russia & China came very close to an all out war between each other, in 1974. (Mao died in 1976.)

I like homemade pumpkin pie with cream. Happy Thanksgiving to all the US expats!
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like American generosity and hospitality. I think it's part of a culture of abundance, and perhaps a legacy of pioneer days when people had to rely on each other's help.
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