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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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 Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: AGW |
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Visitorq conveniently omitted this part of the news article:
"It's about making sure the authority and the integrity of the CSIRO is maintained," he said.
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| The CSIRO has no credibility whatsoever |
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Your opinion only. Not proven fact. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: AGW |
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| Polar bear numbers are still increasing despite ice cap loss |
More misinformation.
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| They are currently listed as "Threatened" by the US Fish and Wildlife Services, Endangered Species List, and the IUCN Red List, has them listed with a status of "Vulnerable" and the "population trend of decreasing". |
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A link to the source your quote would be nice. "Threatened" doesn't necessarily mean numbers are declining.
A google search threw up as many declining as increasing stories. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: AGW |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
Visitorq conveniently omitted this part of the news article:
"It's about making sure the authority and the integrity of the CSIRO is maintained," he said.
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| The CSIRO has no credibility whatsoever |
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Your opinion only. Not proven fact. |
No, the FACT is that they censored people. This is admitted. All the spin that comes later is just PR damage control. If you wanna base your beliefs on spin, go ahead (just don't expect to be taken seriously). |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: AGW |
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| Sorry to say, but Australia is every bit as corrupt as the UK... |
Utter crap, visitorq:
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table
New Zealand
9.4
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9.1 - 9.5
2
Denmark
9.3
6
9.1 - 9.5
3
Singapore
9.2
9
9.0 - 9.4
3
Sweden
9.2
6
9.0 - 9.3
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Switzerland
9.0
6
8.9 - 9.1
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Finland
8.9
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8.4 - 9.4
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Netherlands
8.9
6
8.7 - 9.0
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Australia
8.7
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8.3 - 9.0
8
Canada
8.7
6
8.5 - 9.0
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Iceland
8.7
4
7.5 - 9.4
11
Norway
8.6
6
8.2 - 9.1
12
Hong Kong
8.2
8
7.9 - 8.5
12
Luxembourg
8.2
6
7.6 - 8.8
14
Germany
8.0
6
7.7 - 8.3
14
Ireland
8.0
6
7.8 - 8.4
16
Austria
7.9
6
7.4 - 8.3
17
Japan
7.7
8
7.4 - 8.0
17
United Kingdom
7.7
6
7.3 - 8.2
19
United States
7.5
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chris_J2
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: AGW |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
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| Sorry to say, but Australia is every bit as corrupt as the UK... |
Utter crap, visitorq: |
Wow, you really don't know how to think for yourself, do you? You avoid the obvious point I was making, then mindlessly google "corruption statistics" and find a blurb that was taken before the current scandal changed everything.
Your government is hard-core corrupt, just like mine is. The CSIRO censors scientists who tell the truth, and forces them to tow the gov't line. Get a clue.
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chris_J2
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: AGW |
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So you have a problem with the CSIRO wanting to maintain its authority and integrity, visitorq? Seems to me, that YOU'RE the one, doing all the 'spinning'.
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So you have a problem with the CSIRO wanting to maintain its authority and integrity, visitorq? |
They were lying. This is obvious. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Your "source" is WikiAnswers? 
From the bottom of that page:
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| This answer is closed to changes. This is done in rare cases when questions are being vandalized or answers have become debates. Email WikiAnswers @ Answers.com if you would like it to be reopened. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: AGW |
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| Where's your evidence they were lying? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: AGW |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
| Where's your evidence they were lying? |
Actions are what count, Chris, not words. Don't be so damn naive. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject: AGW |
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visitorq, I'm sure 'rusty shackleford' is quite capable of speaking for himself. 
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| At the most recent meeting of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group(Copenhagen, 2009), scientists reported that of the 19 subpopulations of polar bears, eight are declining, three are stable, one is increasing, and seven have insufficient data on which to base a decision�this is a change from five that were declining in 2005, five that were stable, and two that were increasing. During the meeting, delegates renewed their conclusion from previous meetings that the greatest conservation challenge to the polar bear is ecological change in the Arctic related to climate warming. |
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/ |
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Axiom
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: AGW |
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| visitorq wrote: |
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| Where's your evidence they were lying? |
Actions are what count, Chris, not words. Don't be so damn naive. |
We'll start here!! Sorry visitorq, I assume you don't mind me answering for you.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/csiro-gagging-climate-debate/story-e6frg8gf-1225794500655
"CSIRO managers are narrowly interpreting the agency's charter to effectively ban scientists from publishing any critique of emissions trading schemes, in a decision that has sparked alarm among the organisation's climate change experts.
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: AGW |
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| visitorq, I'm sure 'rusty shackleford' is quite capable of speaking for himself. |
I speak for myself. Way to distract from the fact that you quoted a ridiculous source.
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| At the most recent meeting of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group(Copenhagen, 2009), scientists reported that of the 19 subpopulations of polar bears, eight are declining, three are stable, one is increasing, and seven have insufficient data on which to base a decision�this is a change from five that were declining in 2005, five that were stable, and two that were increasing. During the meeting, delegates renewed their conclusion from previous meetings that the greatest conservation challenge to the polar bear is ecological change in the Arctic related to climate warming. |
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/ |
Where's the actual data? (a detailed graph showing actual numbers would be nice). Did they decline for 5 years straight? Or just during the last year? How much did they "decline" by overall?
The above quote is basically so vague it's worthless. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: AGW |
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And the reason for the CSIRO gagging?
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| if the remarks might affect "public confidence in CSIRO as a trusted adviser". |
Hardly evidence of corruption.
And visitorq, when I want your opinion on a subtopic, I'll ask for it.
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