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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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We were on the verge of leaving due to the anti-American fervor that gripped Korea for about 2 years after those middle school girls were killed.
Secretary Rumsfeld held meetings in Jakarta and Manila for talks that would've amounted to a full withdrawal of US forces from the Korean Peninsula.
I think what pissed him off, as well as many lawmakers, was when that sorry nutcase Noh Mu Hyun referred to 2ID as a "tripwire" that guaranteed a US response. Once they heard that remark, the DoD started drawing up plans to expedite the relocation of all units north of the Han River further south to avoid massive casualties. However, what's kept 2ID and other units where they are now is Korea's reluctance to move those for fear that removing this units would embolden the North to strike.
Also, what Koreans don't know is that "guarantee" of 600,000 reinforcements in case the war flared up again is no more. That estimate was possible when the US had 10 standing divisions- now, we only have 4. They'd be lucky to get a brigade if hostilities broke out. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| You have a source for that? Everything I looked at says the US promises to send 690,000 troops. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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We were on the verge of leaving due to the anti-American fervor that gripped Korea for about 2 years after those middle school girls were killed.
Secretary Rumsfeld held meetings in Jakarta and Manila for talks that would've amounted to a full withdrawal of US forces from the Korean Peninsula.
I think what pissed him off, as well as many lawmakers, was when that sorry nutcase Noh Mu Hyun referred to 2ID as a "tripwire" that guaranteed a US response. Once they heard that remark, the DoD started drawing up plans to expedite the relocation of all units north of the Han River further south to avoid massive casualties. However, what's kept 2ID and other units where they are now is Korea's reluctance to move those for fear that removing this units would embolden the North to strike.
Also, what Koreans don't know is that "guarantee" of 600,000 reinforcements in case the war flared up again is no more. That estimate was possible when the US had 10 standing divisions- now, we only have 4. They'd be lucky to get a brigade if hostilities broke out. |
source? |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: |
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It's kind of bizarre, on a rational level, but it makes sense in practice.
Damn near every country on Earth in some way blames the U.S. for their problems. It's because the U.S. is too big to care. Like a mouse harassing an elephant, the elephant won't react until the lions show up. Therefore, blaming the U.S. is convenient. It is a solution to a problem that does not exist, but their constituents are foolish enough to accept any solution and call it satisfactory.
The U.S. defeated the Japanese, effectively liberating East Asia. It fought back the Communists in Korea as best it could without instigating a third World War with Communist Asia. Is the RoK so upset because it wasn't important enough to sacrifice millions of people only short years after history's most horrible and traumatic period?
Just do with the whiners and apologists as Americans do with Socialists: Ignore them. They will always avoid actual scholarly debate because they know that history is their caltrip. Lies and distortions are their only tactics and giving them attention will only embolden them in the public eye. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| You have a source for that? |
Every unit north of the Han River (meaning 2ID and EUSA) are being pulled back from the DMZ and being moved down south. All this is part of the USFK realignment program.
Also, the USFK action plan (which is revised annually) which discusses what units and actions USFK and the US military will take if hostilities broke out again, has explained since 2006 that Korea would provide the primary forces that would be used to fight North Korea while the US will take a support role.
Also, there are only about 1.2 million active duty military personnel in all four branches of the military with about 900,000 in reserve. When the US made the committal of 600,000 troops, the US had over 8 million (which was from the height of the Cold War until right after Desert Storm).
The USFK action plan (also known as "Plan 74-5076080006-TS") reflects what is going to happen and how the US will win the war (to include the use of nuclear weapons.
Why do you think Korean generals are so concerned about the separation of wartime operational command?
According to last year's and this year's action plan, because of the transfer of wartime operational command, Korea will provide a bulk of the groundforces while the US will provide primary air and artillery support in case of any hostilities (don't get my wrong- the MLRS systems and Paladin systems that artillery units have can take out an entire grid square).
Again, the commitment of 600,000 troops is a thing of the past.
But lets stay on course by discussion Korea's "great and glorious" history...lol |
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shinramyun
Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ No source, no cookie for you. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| No source, no cookie for you. |
If you read the WHOLE post, you'll see that it is in the USFK Action Plan, which is the confidential part of the Korean battle plan.
I could provide a link, but I doubt you have access to the USFK intranet server- too bad though.
What kind of cookie were you offering?
I'm alittle bummed about not getting the cookie. I guess I have to make do with eating my Chips Ahoy chewie chocolate chip cookies that I bought at the commissary- oh well  |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| mc_jc wrote: |
But lets stay on course by discussion Korea's "great and glorious" history...lol |
I accidentally the whole Korea. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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kotakji
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mc_jc wrote: |
I think what pissed him off, as well as many lawmakers, was when that sorry nutcase Noh Mu Hyun referred to 2ID as a "tripwire" that guaranteed a US response. |
Well either Rumsfeld was seriously out of touch with the situation (certainly possible) or your source is wrong. American policy makers have used the term 'tripwire' for the forward deployed US forces long before Noh Mu Hyun was president.
Hell, I thought tripwire was the politically correct version. I heard the term 'speedbump' just as often. |
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ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Location: I drink therefore I am!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Kim Jung Il must love this woman |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
I'm sure Kim Jung Il loves this lady...
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/11/26/200911260035.asp
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Most teachers know very little beyond that, and some sense that North Korea is a threat to the United States. However, most do not know that it was the United States that divided Korea. They do not know of Korea's magnificent achievements or its rich culture," said Connor. |
Umm... excuse me, Ms. Connor... but do you think that would have happened if North Korea had not started a war?
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| I understand that Koreans want Americans to know that Dokdo belongs to Korea and that the Sea of Japan should be called the East Sea. Accuracy is important, but Americans need to know about Korean history and culture first. For instance, Koreans should work to educate Americans about the Japanese colonial period, the role of the U.S. in Korean history and the fact that we divided a country that had been unified for centuries," said Connor. |
See above. |
I started taking a look at Ms. Connor's KAFE organization. It's a private non-profit organization which lists its contributors as the Korean Cultural Center Los Angeles, the Academy of Korean Studies, the Korean Foundation, the Overseas Koreans Foundation, the Los Angeles Forerunners Lions Club, and individual donations from Korean Americans from coast to coast.
Doing a quick search of the first two organizations listed: the Korean Cultural Center Los Angeles, the Academy of Korean Studies. Who do you think is behind these organizations? The Korean government!
Basically Connor's KAFE organization is trying to spread among educators an anti-US spin on how Korea came to be divided. This group's appears to be funded by organizations which are themselves funded by the South Korean government.
The US government has done many stupid things, but assigning it blame for the current situation on the Korean peninsula is outrageous! If the S. Korean government wants to blame America, it should do so publicly rather than funding organizations which feed money to useful idiots like Ms. Connor. |
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ashland
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Kim Jung Il must love this woman |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
I'm sure Kim Jung Il loves this lady...
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/11/26/200911260035.asp
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Most teachers know very little beyond that, and some sense that North Korea is a threat to the United States. However, most do not know that it was the United States that divided Korea. They do not know of Korea's magnificent achievements or its rich culture," said Connor. |
Umm... excuse me, Ms. Connor... but do you think that would have happened if North Korea had not started a war?
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| I understand that Koreans want Americans to know that Dokdo belongs to Korea and that the Sea of Japan should be called the East Sea. Accuracy is important, but Americans need to know about Korean history and culture first. For instance, Koreans should work to educate Americans about the Japanese colonial period, the role of the U.S. in Korean history and the fact that we divided a country that had been unified for centuries," said Connor. |
See above. |
kim jung il is a bad person.
he is very different from other dictators like stalin, castro, gadaffi.
he enjoys french cuisine/wine, s.korean movies/dramas, his entertainers (thousands of young girls), and living in a palace... while most n.k. people starve to death.
hope someone kills him. |
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