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kiknkorea
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mises
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| Why is that "sickening". There is no global food shortage. Food is cheap. Don't be emotional. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Couple this with the 15% of Americans couldn't afford food in 2008... |
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ontheway
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Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Couple this with the 15% of Americans couldn't afford food in 2008... |
Yes, consider these two things together ...
... you should be aware that 14 percentage points out of that 15% never went even one day without food. They are fat or obese and did not go hungry.
Only about 1% actually had one whole day without eating, and this only because they spent their ample funds and ate their overabundant supply of food too fast so that they ran out by the end of the month. They probably wasted 40% of their food as well, in the early, fat and wasteful days of the month.
There is plenty of food in the world to feed everyone, even with the waste, although waste is generally bad because it reduces the wealth of everyone, and the poor lose the most by wasting their own resources.
Real hunger and starvation due to lack of food only exists in the world because of evil, fascist-socialist governments. There is plenty of food and there are plenty of generous people who will volutarily donate more than is needed to feed those who are hungry and actually need some assistance. If the hungry do not get food, it's because the socialists prevent them from getting it. |
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Loudog
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Why is that "sickening". There is no global food shortage. Food is cheap. Don't be emotional. |
Yeah, tell that to all those Ethiopian kids. It's not sickening because food is cheap, its sickening that we have such an excess of food that we have to throw it away, when people in other countries are starving to death. |
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Konglishman
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Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, not everyone finishes what is on their plate. There should be some research done on how to turn food waste into useful products such as fertilizer or biofuel. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| Yes, not everyone finishes what is on their plate. There should be some research done on how to turn food waste into useful products such as fertilizer or biofuel. |
I'm sure it's more than possible to turn waste food into biofuels. It's unlikely to be economical without govt subsidies, though. |
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blade
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Why is that "sickening". There is no global food shortage. Food is cheap. Don't be emotional. |
True, but much of the food we consume or not requires lots of energy to be grown, processed, stored,transported to stores and be eventually be purchased us consumers. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Loudog wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Why is that "sickening". There is no global food shortage. Food is cheap. Don't be emotional. |
Yeah, tell that to all those Ethiopian kids. It's not sickening because food is cheap, its sickening that we have such an excess of food that we have to throw it away, when people in other countries are starving to death. |
This has nothing whatsover to do with Americans throwing away their food. What do you expect us to do - put all our leftovers in a box and mail it to Africa?
Individuals are generally responsible for their own eating habits (esp. in the developed world). But governments are to blame for starvation. We live in a world of plenty, but corruption and a debt-based monetary system (central banking warfare against the people of the world) keeps the 3rd world down.
Actually, one of the most straightforward and deliberate causes of world hunger is the global warming scam. It is palpably killing millions around the world. The huge amount of land used in the US and elsewhere for unnecessary "bio-fuels", has caused the prices of food to go up globally. Coupled with government corruption in most poor countries, and the fact that most of them are slaves to the IMF, the people can't afford to eat. The charlatans (and crooks like Al Gore) who deliberately made up the phony climate data are directly responsible for instigating these sorts of policies (that keep the 3rd world permanently down). They pose as a bunch of bleeding heart liberals, but in reality they are criminals who care nothing whatsoever about the poor. Many of the higher-ups in the EU and US government (like Obama's science czar) consider population reduction to be a priority of utmost importance. Depopulating Africa is actually a goal for them. |
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Illysook
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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It is sickening, and while individuals are responsible for themselves and what they choose to consume and dispose of, and can be encouraged to make better decisions, we should also be holding the marketers and agribusinesses responsible for their part of this.
Your behavior as a consumer, from the way you move through the store, to the items that you purchase has been studied over and over again and the marketers know how to manipulate you, so that you will buy more than you need. Then nearly half of what looked so good in the store goes bad before your family can eat it.
Most people should be aware of the fact that the most expensive products are placed at eye level, at the ends of aisles, and in other easy to see and easy to reach places. The dairy, meat, breads, and vegetables are also placed in the far corners of the store so that you have to view many, many other products as you go through the store just to pick up a few basics. An increased awareness of these tricks is needed. I learned some of this stuff in a class called "home economics" but I'm not sure that they teach it to kids anymore, in the battle for political correctness, it got lost. The university near me now calls that department "Family and Consumer Studies" and it's somewhat untouchable, even though it's a place where one can learn to apply economic theory to real life...sorta rare, eh? |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
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| Americans have a health care crises due to obesity. The obesity comes from the food-as-entertainment industry, developed by food scientists that uses low cost migrant farm labor who when given amnesty vote for Democrats. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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With the risk of being accused of sounding like a broken record or called an ideologue, I will once again suggest that this problem can be traced back to govt actions.
What are the main foods implicated as causes of obesity? They would be wheat, sugar and corn. Which food products gain billions in farm subsidies? Wheat, sugar and corn. What happens when you subsidize something? More is produced than what the market would normally demand and this leads to a lower price.
People are only responding to the perverse incentives that govt interventions create. You can blame health scientists, cheap migrant labor, marketers, agri-business. super markets, the education system and on and on. But the fact remains, that if you solved all those problems, it still wouldn't come close to solving the cause of the problem. |
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Illysook
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Americans have a health care crises due to obesity. The obesity comes from the food-as-entertainment industry, developed by food scientists that uses low cost migrant farm labor who when given amnesty vote for Democrats. |
Then I say give 'em amnesty. Our immigration rules aren't exactly equitable, so lets make some exceptions, after all, it's the Dems who are pushing to reform healthcare.
I will be glad to see some sort of health care reform...I don't even care much about what sort of reform is passed. Just pass something, get it on the books, and if it needs to be reformed again after that, we will at least have a starting point. It's the right thing to do, it's even the Christian thing to do...my evangelical church calls it a social justice issue.
Ooops, I said the e-word. It's just something that I struggle with...how to be an evangelical Christian without being a right-wing nutjob. This mostly involved keeping my mouth shut around the nutjobs. You can't argue with them much when they don't want to listen.
Pro-life? Okay, sure I get it, God values ALL human life. In light of this, the death penalty doesn't seem very Christian to me, and neither does failing to improve infant mortality rates via healthcare reform.
Gay marriage? Why should I care? Will it mean that I can't get married? Will it affect my moral choices? Because as I understand it, Christian morals are for Christians, and if people don't choose to be Christians, I don't think that I have anything to say about what they do.
Another Christian on this forum once said that my ideas were "out there," but I think that Christians wouldn't have such a bad name on forums like this one, if these ideas were a little more popular. |
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Loudog
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
This has nothing whatsover to do with Americans throwing away their food. What do you expect us to do - put all our leftovers in a box and mail it to Africa?
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Of course I don't think that, because I am not retarded. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Americans have a health care crises due to obesity. The obesity comes from the food-as-entertainment industry, developed by food scientists that uses low cost migrant farm labor who when given amnesty vote for Democrats. |
Here is my solution. Start off by having the fat removed from the obese people. Then, have the removed fat get processed into biofuel. Sale the biofuel whose proceeds will subsidize the original liposuction.  |
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