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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague
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 Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: Criminal Record! |
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My friend has a controlled substances arrest and subsequent dismissal of charges 27 years ago in her home state. Will this prevent her from working in Korea as an E2?
My friend thanks you. |
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UrbanStyle
Joined: 23 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Do not go to another state, that is just going to make it harder for us that didn't screw up in the past once immigration realizes what people are doing. If it was dismissed have your "friend" go to the police and get it removed from her record. |
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zipper
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Location: Ruben Carter was falsely accused
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
| Do not go to another state, that is just going to make it harder for us that didn't screw up in the past once immigration realizes what people are doing. If it was dismissed have your "friend" go to the police and get it removed from her record. |
Exactly. People tend to come up with all these ideas to either circumvent or find ways to sneak around the law, and that's their prerogative, but coming on here to either brag about it or to solicit ways to circumvent the law will raise eyebrows among officials that monitor this site.
However, I was told that some states have different types of back ground searches. For instance, there are 10 year CRC, and there are CRCs done specifically for employment that don't show up certain offenses that were committed beyond a certain amount of years.
Somebody who committed a minor offense and who hasn't been in trouble for over 25 years should not be discriminated against in regards to seeking employment; unless it was for a serious crime involving sexual offences and crimes against children. IMO |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| zipper wrote: |
| ...but coming on here to either brag about it or to solicit ways to circumvent the law will raise eyebrows among officials that monitor this site. |
Bingo! The Ks aren't stupid, and with any beauracy it takes a while for them to 'get up to speed'... but eventually, they do. All your Miguk friends who 'got in' with a local (jurisdiction) CRC then came on 'Dave's' to brag are the idiots who screwed it for you - not the Ks... they're just doing their job.
Human nature sucks because people don't think.
The following is comparing 'apples to oranges' but the analogy stands -
person 'A' signs a contract with X number of holidays. Person 'B' signs the same contract but is given more holidays. Person 'A' gets pissed and complains to 'mommy' their sibling has a bigger piece of cake. Mommy can't make the piece bigger for sibling 'B', so she reduces the size of sibling "A's'...... "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Morons!  |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Do not go to another state, that is just going to make it harder for us that didn't screw up in the past once immigration realizes what people are doing. |
What are they going to do? By not trying to get around these stupid rules, we are condoning those rules and living within that system as pure slaves.
Feed them cake my friend, eh? |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
By not trying to get around these stupid rules, we are condoning those rules and living within that system as pure slaves.
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Rules, regulations and laws exist for a reason. Some are ill-conceived. However, trying to "get around" them is not the answer - this is the 'game' of real life. As far as I know, nobody has held a gun to an E-2 visa holder's head in their home country and said "You're going to K-land".
I was a cop (fisheries) in Canada. Many U.S. citizens arrested would try to tell me about their 'rights' as U.S. citizens. I would leave it to their lawyer to explain their rights did not cross the border with them.
Your statement - to the effect one must break the law in order to be free - is ludicrous. You are afforded the rights of an individual under the constitution of the ROK (where you chose to be). |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| Do not go to another state, that is just going to make it harder for us that didn't screw up in the past once immigration realizes what people are doing. |
What are they going to do? By not trying to get around these stupid rules, we are condoning those rules and living within that system as pure slaves.
Feed them cake my friend, eh? |
What stupid rules? Getting a criminal background check is stupid?
What are they going to do? How about not commit crimes, or if they are innocent getting said crime removed from their record. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Do not go to another state, that is just going to make it harder for us that didn't screw up in the past once immigration realizes what people are doing. |
What are they going to do? By not trying to get around these stupid rules, we are condoning those rules and living within that system as pure slaves.
Feed them cake my friend, eh? |
And when Immigration realizes that people are trying to get around these rules, it will just put more regulations in place. By trying to get around these rules you are just creating more headaches for everyone. No one forced you at gunpoint on to the plane. By coming here and getting a job you implicitly agreed to follow the rules. |
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Nexus11
Joined: 29 Nov 2006
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There are many unfair rules, regulations, and cultural practices relating to foreigners in Korea. However, the criminal background check is NOT one of them. We work with children, so it is perfectly reasonable to require one. You would get the same thing if you wanted to work with children in your home country.
Like many have said, please don't try and circumvent the rules. Those of us who went about things legally have a hard enough time with the silly "all foreign teachers are evil" stories that get run through the media every so often. We don't need people giving them ammo.
If the charge was dismissed, get it erased from the record. If it was not, accept that Korea views drug possession as more serious than western culture does and look for work in another country. Korea isn't the only place in the world that wants to learn English. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Please try to not circumvent the rules? Why not? Because it may somehow inconvienece you in the future in some way we don't know yet? Why would that be anyone's concern but your own? Folks are gonna do whatever they can get away with -- downloading music, buying knockoff handbags, mixing stripes and polka dots. It isn't our responsibility to either make or enforce the rules. Obey them at your pleasure or accept the consequences. |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Hi - Thank you all. My friend is satisfied with the quality and amount of discussion and asks politely to challenge other issues on this board.
There seems to a problem with how Koreans understand Americans, how Americans live their lives and American laws.
Thank you. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| rocket_scientist wrote: |
Hi - Thank you all. My friend is satisfied with the quality and amount of discussion and asks politely to challenge other issues on this board.
There seems to a problem with how Koreans understand Americans, how Americans live their lives and American laws.
Thank you. |
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Why is it that most of you folks seem to forget..that the U.S. is made up of people from all over the world! Including koreans! How can koreans have a problem understanding Americans?!?! They, Americans, live in korea also. On another note....criminal record checks are also done in the U.S. for teaching jobs! And all foreigners wanting work visas/marriage visa, etc��to the U.S., need to submit fingerprints for a background check! Most jobs one applies for in the U.S. also want a background check done! So, why should korea be different? If you have someone sneaky enough to circumvent the system by going elsewhere for a background check, I sure as heck would not want to associate with them nor have them teaching children! |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hi hell,
My Friend is a hell of a nice woman, shes pretty good looking for someone her age and very pleasant to talk to. I'd like to fix her up with you so you could enjoy her company and then at the end of the evening, we'd discuss her filthy background of sheer innocence with you. Then we'd all have a laugh while you scream and run away and perhaps vomit. Do the Koreans understand America? I insist they do not. She has a background check absolutely free of any manner of infraction. What part of America don't the Koreans understand? Well, this part to start. |
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contacts
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, if the case was dismissed, then it won't be on her record - that is why it was dismissed. Should have no problem |
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