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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| the ireland wrote: |
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| You may as well be taking boxing to task. |
football decisions and fifa in general are made to look like angels in comparison to boxing associations. My dad is an amateur boxing coach and has seen his fighters knock their opponents down and beat the to a bloody pulp (literally) yet still lose the fight. and this is in the amateur game, what are these young people to think about the pros where money is paid and millions are gambled on the outcome? |
Mind your wallet, here's Don King. |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
| the ireland wrote: |
| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
| You may as well be taking boxing to task. |
football decisions and fifa in general are made to look like angels in comparison to boxing associations. My dad is an amateur boxing coach and has seen his fighters knock their opponents down and beat the to a bloody pulp (literally) yet still lose the fight. and this is in the amateur game, what are these young people to think about the pros where money is paid and millions are gambled on the outcome? |
Mind your wallet, here's Don King. |
He actually promoted a family friend of ours after he retired Mike Tyson. Needless to say he didn't do much with his career after that fight, surprisingly though this had nothing to do with don king and all to do with his coaches holding out too long and not getting him a big fight so he could cash in on his increased profile |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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There was a fight of late in NZ with David Tua who did reasonably well against Lewis ( as far as that goes) with some other guy...Cameron?
Didn't last very long.
I dunno how boxing is in Ireland but in NZ it's very much a case of make your payday (or recover your payday) then become a Vegas Act (ala Johnny Thunder)
Probably NZ boxing is better known for the 1988 Seoul Olympics! |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
There was a fight of late in NZ with David Tua who did reasonably well against Lewis ( as far as that goes) with some other guy...Cameron?
Didn't last very long.
I dunno how boxing is in Ireland but in NZ it's very much a case of make your payday (or recover your payday) then become a Vegas Act (ala Johnny Thunder)
Probably NZ boxing is better known for the 1988 Seoul Olympics! |
i remember david tua, he was a strange lad, big hair, short shorts!! wasn't that fight a bit dodgy, something to do with the ref not stopping the fight in the 1st round when he should have.
we have had quite a few talented boxers and world champions over the past 20 years with Barry Mcguigan, Bernard Dunne, Steve Collins and Eamonn Magee to name a few.
Andy Lee is improving too and we had a good shot with Darren Sutherland who won a medal in beijing but unfortunatly he committed suicide in september.
Some of our talented boxers have remained amateur though. We don't really have the vegas pay days because irish fans will sell out large arenas in Ireland but perhaps not so much in vegas plus the boxers wouldn't generate a large amount of publicity to earn a massive hbo/sky sports box office bout. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding the England and USA team sheets I think youre missing the point. England do have some immensely talented footballers but there has been a culture of them being fannies when it comes down to it. On paper, yeah, theyre miles better. But I wouldnt bet against USA beating us when it came down to it. Hopefully Capello can change the culture somewhat otherwise all the money and hype in the world isnt gonna get us past the quarter finals. |
No, your expectation for England is higher. You think England should get past the quarters and you expect them to get to the quarters. The USA would need a very favorable draw to make the quarters. USA could beat England in a one off game but I don't think they would be favorites in the bookies.
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Yeah Ive no doubt they would be favourites in the eyes of most people, it's just I was saying that I think the USA could be capable of causing an upset. It's the kind of team I could see England losing against, although in all probability we'd probably hammer them. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno. I think FIFA is so ludicrous in purporting to be fair and open. You may as well be taking boxing to task. |
If it was another country (especially England) then FIFA might have made an example but of course it's France.......and you know Sepp Blater is a massive French fan. UEFA President is Michel Platini too. Is it any wonder not a mention of the controversy was mentioned on the FIFA match reports? their reports failed to acknowledge the volleyball moment in its entire match report! FIFA's report described the incident as "France's late stroke of luck"
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Obviously trying to cover up their embarassment. Or not, as it might seem now theyre going to investigate it seriously.
To be fair you havent said it yourself, but once that final whistle has gone there is not much that can be done, nor could ever be done in my eyes. Imagine if they did call a replay? All hell would break lose. Besides have you seen Keano's rant about it? Ireland should have finished them off before Henry cheated. |
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catman
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: |
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France did not make the top eight seeds:
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Pot 1 (seeds): South Africa, Germany, Brazil, Italy, Spain, England, the Netherlands, Argentina.
Pot 2 (Asia and CONCACAF): Australia, New Zealand, Honduras, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Mexico, United States.
Pot 3 (Africa and South America): Algeria, Cameroon, Chile, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Paraguay, Nigeria, Uruguay.
Pot 4 (Europe): France, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece, Serbia, Denmark, Slovakia.
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rusty1983
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The Guardian has been saying that after this farce and violence elsewhere, they are seriously considering dropping the play-off system altogether and that is what they will be discussing at their 'summit' |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I bet that South Africa will get NZ, Algeria, Greece. Beat NZ, draw with other two and make it into next round. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| the ireland wrote: |
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There was a fight of late in NZ with David Tua who did reasonably well against Lewis ( as far as that goes) with some other guy...Cameron?
Didn't last very long.
I dunno how boxing is in Ireland but in NZ it's very much a case of make your payday (or recover your payday) then become a Vegas Act (ala Johnny Thunder)
Probably NZ boxing is better known for the 1988 Seoul Olympics! |
i remember david tua, he was a strange lad, big hair, short shorts!! wasn't that fight a bit dodgy, something to do with the ref not stopping the fight in the 1st round when he should have.
we have had quite a few talented boxers and world champions over the past 20 years with Barry Mcguigan, Bernard Dunne, Steve Collins and Eamonn Magee to name a few.
Andy Lee is improving too and we had a good shot with Darren Sutherland who won a medal in beijing but unfortunatly he committed suicide in september.
Some of our talented boxers have remained amateur though. We don't really have the vegas pay days because irish fans will sell out large arenas in Ireland but perhaps not so much in vegas plus the boxers wouldn't generate a large amount of publicity to earn a massive hbo/sky sports box office bout. |
That was Camerons "payday" fight. He'll disappear.
Tua-yeah!of the big hair and short shorts-has this fight coming up against Seldon (42). Don't know what to make of it...not an awful lot
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3128549/Tua-to-face-former-world-champion |
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djz
Joined: 17 Jul 2009
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how is committing a penalty and not being called for it cheating?
in LITERALLY any other sport no one blames a player if they aren't called on a foul. it is ENTIRELY on the officials. no one called ryan howard a "cheater" when he didn't touch home plate in the world series. no one calls a cornerback a cheater when they do a TD denying facemask that they don't get called for. hell, as tim donaghee showed the whole NBA was rigged for a couple years and no one got called for anything depending on how the refs were betting. is anyone who played in the early 2000s in the NBA a cheater? absolutely not.
these sour grapes are 100% ridiculous and watching that ball go from one former arsenal captain to another former arsenal captain and then into the goal made my day. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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how is committing a penalty and not being called for it cheating?
in LITERALLY any other sport no one blames a player if they aren't called on a foul. it is ENTIRELY on the officials. no one called ryan howard a "cheater" when he didn't touch home plate in the world series. no one calls a cornerback a cheater when they do a TD denying facemask that they don't get called for. hell, as tim donaghee showed the whole NBA was rigged for a couple years and no one got called for anything depending on how the refs were betting. is anyone who played in the early 2000s in the NBA a cheater? absolutely not.
these sour grapes are 100% ridiculous and watching that ball go from one former arsenal captain to another former arsenal captain and then into the goal made my day. |
The other side of the coin is of course you're paid darn well to score goals so darn well do so.
Something Duff didn't......but bovinely howled at doing so in his cruddy local game the next week.
* Just an aside-congrats to SBS for showing AS Monaco Live (with their mystery Korean) as opposed to Chelski-Arabmanlove |
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scotty12347
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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how is committing a penalty and not being called for it cheating?
in LITERALLY any other sport no one blames a player if they aren't called on a foul. it is ENTIRELY on the officials. no one called ryan howard a "cheater" when he didn't touch home plate in the world series. no one calls a cornerback a cheater when they do a TD denying facemask that they don't get called for. hell, as tim donaghee showed the whole NBA was rigged for a couple years and no one got called for anything depending on how the refs were betting. is anyone who played in the early 2000s in the NBA a cheater? absolutely not.
these sour grapes are 100% ridiculous and watching that ball go from one former arsenal captain to another former arsenal captain and then into the goal made my day. |
So if you break the rules, but dont get caught, its not cheating?
What if im playing football, and i decide to pick the ball up and put it under my shirt, i then go and dump the ball in the net and score for my team.
By your reasoning, its not cheating if the ref doesnt see it? |
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djz
Joined: 17 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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So if you break the rules, but dont get caught, its not cheating?
What if im playing football, and i decide to pick the ball up and put it under my shirt, i then go and dump the ball in the net and score for my team.
By your reasoning, its not cheating if the ref doesnt see it? |
If you are able to successfully pull that off in a World Cup match or even a local soccer club game you are a genius not a cheater.
This is the highest level of the game. Stuff like handball should be called for. In a UEFA match there would've been a ref on the goal line who would've seen the handball. Why can't World Cup matches have it? Or just a ref watching the game on TV with a two-way radio?
Would you agree that Ryan Howard is a cheater because he didn't touch home plate DURING THE WORLD SERIES and his run still counted? Is Derek Jeter a cheater because Jeffery Maier pulled his ball over the fence, giving the Yankees a tie in Game 1 of the ALCS? No. This is entirely on the umps. It's not the players' job point out the referees' mistakes. |
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djz
Joined: 17 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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just to add, if you're able to carry the ball under your shirt and into the goal, there is something wrong with the league you're playing in, not with you.
the official is the one who should suspended, not the player.
it's the official's job to enforce the rules. the players' job is to play the game. it seems like the official is the one which failed at their job. |
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