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kabrams
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 Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: Re: racism and discrimination |
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It is interesting how some people assume skin color racism is more evil than institutionalized discrimination.
In most countries & cultures around the world, the biggest issue is discrimination.
You are not from the right family or tribe.
Your family ancestry is not pure.
You are a woman.
You have a theistic belief system.
You don't believe in the "right" scientific theories.
You are not from a big enough city, or you are from the countryside.
You cannot speak the National language well.
You don't have the right job.
You have a poor education.
All of the above can get you in the same or more hurt than your skin color in most countries around the world. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: Re: racism and discrimination |
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All of these will hold you back in the USA.
| Tjames426 wrote: |
It is interesting how some people assume skin color racism is more evil than institutionalized discrimination.
In most countries & cultures around the world, the biggest issue is discrimination.
You are not from the right family or tribe.
Your family ancestry is not pure.
You are a woman.
You have a theistic belief system.
You don't believe in the "right" scientific theories.
You are not from a big enough city, or you are from the countryside.
You cannot speak the National language well.
You don't have the right job.
You have a poor education.
All of the above can get you in the same or more hurt than your skin color in most countries around the world. |
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buckeye101
Joined: 09 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Some white folks get shot if they walk into the wrong neighborhood. There you have it, racism. |
Really? Just for being white and walking into the wrong neighborhood? I'd love to hear the stats on that one..... |
Im sure shootings are involved with the following statistic, but have at it:
http://img186.imageshack.us/i/usinteracial025sqnb8.jpg/ |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| buckeye101 wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| mayorgc wrote: |
Some white folks get shot if they walk into the wrong neighborhood. There you have it, racism. |
Really? Just for being white and walking into the wrong neighborhood? I'd love to hear the stats on that one..... |
Im sure shootings are involved with the following statistic, but have at it:
http://img186.imageshack.us/i/usinteracial025sqnb8.jpg/ |
1. Prosecution and conviction of crimes stats have obvious problems, especially when profiled by race. This isn't a freshman year race relations university course, so I won't go into those. But if you're smart enough to be involved in this argument, you're smart enough to know what those problems are.
2. Hey buckeye, have you ever even been in a neighborhood that wasn't predominately white?
People in the "wrong" neighborhoods know good full and well how much trouble shooting a white person would cause them, versus shooting some other "wrong" neighborhood inhabitant. |
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buckeye101
Joined: 09 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| buckeye101 wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| mayorgc wrote: |
Some white folks get shot if they walk into the wrong neighborhood. There you have it, racism. |
Really? Just for being white and walking into the wrong neighborhood? I'd love to hear the stats on that one..... |
Im sure shootings are involved with the following statistic, but have at it:
http://img186.imageshack.us/i/usinteracial025sqnb8.jpg/ |
1. Prosecution and conviction of crimes stats have obvious problems, especially when profiled by race. This isn't a freshman year race relations university course, so I won't go into those. But if you're smart enough to be involved in this argument, you're smart enough to know what those problems are.
2. Hey buckeye, have you ever even been in a neighborhood that wasn't predominately white?
People in the "wrong" neighborhoods know good full and well how much trouble shooting a white person would cause them, versus shooting some other "wrong" neighborhood inhabitant. |
of course ive been in the wrong neighborhood, and being white, i got the hell outta there so i wouldnt be another statisitc. Are you American? Have you lived in the States? YOu dont sound like it because if you were you'd be up on race relations here. Have you been in a REAL American ghetto neighborhood i.e Opa Locka, Florida or Houston or L.A. or New York? You do NOT want to be white and aimlessly look lost. You ask for directions and your libel to get a gun put in your face and robbed (ask me I know) because you are white and look defenseless. DO you think they care if your white? From what you wrote you seem to think they sit there and think before they grab their gun to stick you up whether or not to shoot you because youre white and they might go to jail longer, lol. NOPE!
I DO know that if youre white in America, you better damn well think twice before pulling a gun out and shooting a black person bc you'll have Jesse Jackson and Rev. AL Sharpton up to your city the next day blaming you for being racist. Its not all peaches and cream being white living here. Sure there are some benifits, but being the majority of a country your bound to be exposed to some of them. But its not what you think. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| I've been to really bad areas sometimes with white people and never saw anything like that happen. |
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thegadfly
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, Mallard, for your reply. I appreciate you taking the time to weigh in, but I was also curious about a comparison between Korea and the US (well, any western country, but since the US is my home country, it is my default comparison) -- you said you really have not felt racism directed toward you here -- did you feel it directed toward you in your home country, or have you not really felt it either place?
Thanks, Mallard, and any others that gave a sincere reply to my question. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry...missed shosta and santa -- thanks for the replies.... |
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buckeye101
Joined: 09 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| I've been to really bad areas sometimes with white people and never saw anything like that happen. |
no but for comparison sake, tell me which scenerio you'd rather be in:
1: a white person strolling down MLK Blvd. in Compton being sure to stop every so often to give a mighty "Hi there, partner!" to the teenagers hanging on the block.
2: A black person stolling down the whitest, suburban street saying hello to the white people as they pass by.
Which is safer, which scenerio would you rather be in? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| buckeye101 wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| I've been to really bad areas sometimes with white people and never saw anything like that happen. |
no but for comparison sake, tell me which scenerio you'd rather be in:
1: a white person strolling down MLK Blvd. in Compton being sure to stop every so often to give a mighty "Hi there, partner!" to the teenagers hanging on the block.
2: A black person stolling down the whitest, suburban street saying hello to the white people as they pass by.
Which is safer, which scenerio would you rather be in? |
Terrible comparison. You compare ghetto to ghetto. Suburbia to Suburbia.
I'd feel safer as a white person in Prince George's County, MD than a black person in Rochester Hills, MI.
Or I'd feel safer as a black person in Breathitt County, Kentucky than a white person in Compton. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| buckeye101 wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| I've been to really bad areas sometimes with white people and never saw anything like that happen. |
no but for comparison sake, tell me which scenerio you'd rather be in:
1: a white person strolling down MLK Blvd. in Compton being sure to stop every so often to give a mighty "Hi there, partner!" to the teenagers hanging on the block.
2: A black person stolling down the whitest, suburban street saying hello to the white people as they pass by.
Which is safer, which scenerio would you rather be in? |
Number 2 assuming it's a rich. I like rich suburban neighborhoods and I haven't been to Compton but people tell me it's bad. I've been to white neighborhoods I would not visit again without a weapon or several friends. Not sure what's the point of your post though. Yeah I get urban ghettos are dangerous but I've been to them and never heard any gun shots, never had anyone attack me and never saw anyone else getting attacked. The worse I saw was when I went to Flint, MI and saw a building with bullet holes. Sometimes I think people are exaggerating about how bad some those places are. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| buckeye101 wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| buckeye101 wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| mayorgc wrote: |
Some white folks get shot if they walk into the wrong neighborhood. There you have it, racism. |
Really? Just for being white and walking into the wrong neighborhood? I'd love to hear the stats on that one..... |
Im sure shootings are involved with the following statistic, but have at it:
http://img186.imageshack.us/i/usinteracial025sqnb8.jpg/ |
1. Prosecution and conviction of crimes stats have obvious problems, especially when profiled by race. This isn't a freshman year race relations university course, so I won't go into those. But if you're smart enough to be involved in this argument, you're smart enough to know what those problems are.
2. Hey buckeye, have you ever even been in a neighborhood that wasn't predominately white?
People in the "wrong" neighborhoods know good full and well how much trouble shooting a white person would cause them, versus shooting some other "wrong" neighborhood inhabitant. |
of course ive been in the wrong neighborhood, and being white, i got the hell outta there so i wouldnt be another statisitc. Are you American? Have you lived in the States? YOu dont sound like it because if you were you'd be up on race relations here. Have you been in a REAL American ghetto neighborhood i.e Opa Locka, Florida or Houston or L.A. or New York? You do NOT want to be white and aimlessly look lost. You ask for directions and your libel to get a gun put in your face and robbed (ask me I know) because you are white and look defenseless. DO you think they care if your white? From what you wrote you seem to think they sit there and think before they grab their gun to stick you up whether or not to shoot you because youre white and they might go to jail longer, lol. NOPE!
I DO know that if youre white in America, you better damn well think twice before pulling a gun out and shooting a black person bc you'll have Jesse Jackson and Rev. AL Sharpton up to your city the next day blaming you for being racist. Its not all peaches and cream being white living here. Sure there are some benifits, but being the majority of a country your bound to be exposed to some of them. But its not what you think. |
Yes, I'm white. Yes I'm American. I spent two years living in housing projects in Texas and close to six years living in Brooklyn, including three years in Bed-Stuy, directly across the street from the Marcy projects. Try again.
Clearly, I'm not as informed on race relations as you are...... |
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thegadfly
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:54 am Post subject: |
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buckeye,
Wow...just wow.
I LIVED in inner city Houston. Was the only white guy in the area. My house actually got tagged by HCP (Hispanic Causes Panic -- a self-governing "youth organization"), but that was because my house was right on the street that marked the line between their territory and GPP (Greenspointe Posse -- a competing youth organization).
Only weapon I have ever had pulled on me was by a white dude. I have never even been threatened by a non-vanilla dude. I've been hit by student-members of youth organizations while teaching high school, but those have all been accidents -- I was breaking up fights. The only assaults actually targetting me were by vanilla students -- 3 so far in my life.
I am so vanilla as to be practically translucent. According to the crap you are spouting, I should have been shot dozens of times by now.
Hyperbole much? |
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buckeye101
Joined: 09 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| buckeye101 wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| I've been to really bad areas sometimes with white people and never saw anything like that happen. |
no but for comparison sake, tell me which scenerio you'd rather be in:
1: a white person strolling down MLK Blvd. in Compton being sure to stop every so often to give a mighty "Hi there, partner!" to the teenagers hanging on the block.
2: A black person stolling down the whitest, suburban street saying hello to the white people as they pass by.
Which is safer, which scenerio would you rather be in? |
Terrible comparison. You compare ghetto to ghetto. Suburbia to Suburbia.
I'd feel safer as a white person in Prince George's County, MD than a black person in Rochester Hills, MI.
Or I'd feel safer as a black person in Breathitt County, Kentucky than a white person in Compton. |
ok, fair.
Its useless though trying to prove white people are discriminated against like the OP suggests we arent. Its just so blatant. white guilt has stanied the majority of white Americans and some are convinced they "deserve" the negative and hostile behavior dished out to them from blacks. Since this is a public forum i wont get into how i know, but ive spent time in the ghetto growing up, ive done my round trips, the way they talk about white people is disturbing (not as much to my face, but behind my back from supposed "friends"), the entitlements they think they deserve is way off base and the overall "instilled" belief system towards whitey is scewed from birth. its more like indoctrination.
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buckeye101
Joined: 09 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:57 am Post subject: |
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buckeye,
Wow...just wow.
I LIVED in inner city Houston. Was the only white guy in the area. My house actually got tagged by HCP (Hispanic Causes Panic -- a self-governing "youth organization"), but that was because my house was right on the street that marked the line between their territory and GPP (Greenspointe Posse -- a competing youth organization).
Only weapon I have ever had pulled on me was by a white dude. I have never even been threatened by a non-vanilla dude. I've been hit by student-members of youth organizations while teaching high school, but those have all been accidents -- I was breaking up fights. The only assaults actually targetting me were by vanilla students -- 3 so far in my life.
I am so vanilla as to be practically translucent. According to the crap you are spouting, I should have been shot dozens of times by now.
Hyperbole much? |
I doubt you never caught it from the black dudes in Houston, but ill take your word for it. But Check LA. . . the gang violence is ALWAYS black on brown. You should know that. comeon now... |
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