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Sign another contract for last three months, Is this legit?

 
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Showtime



Joined: 08 Feb 2008
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:39 am    Post subject: Sign another contract for last three months, Is this legit? Reply with quote

I'm three months into my second six month contract with a school in an after school program. I've completed nine months of my year contract with the company that contracted me out to the school. Today my co teacher tells me I have to sign a new contract with the school because the school wants teachers to sign every three months for afterschool programs. They don't want me to go to immigration, but they want me to sign a new contract with school for my remaining three months. The catch is this new contract has a whole bunch of new rules. Any advice on how to handle this situation?
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are these new rules? Are there any other changes?
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: Sign another contract for last three months, Is this leg Reply with quote

Showtime wrote:
I'm three months into my second six month contract with a school in an after school program. I've completed nine months of my year contract with the company that contracted me out to the school. Today my co teacher tells me I have to sign a new contract with the school because the school wants teachers to sign every three months for afterschool programs. They don't want me to go to immigration, but they want me to sign a new contract with school for my remaining three months. The catch is this new contract has a whole bunch of new rules. Any advice on how to handle this situation?


Advice: we have a contract, dear co-teacher. When this one's up, I'll consider signing a different one.
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themagicbean



Joined: 04 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"No."
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Showtime



Joined: 08 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear you all, but what I'm trying to find out is

1. Is there any new governmental policy that would enable them to request me to sign another contract

2. Can the school just request me to sign a new contract in the middle of one ... Is this legal?

Don't all contracts have to go through immigration, so if they don't want me to go to immigration, how valid is this. Am I risking my job if I refuse? I've already signed once, why should I agree to another that is for the same time period... The Devil is in the details
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Showtime wrote:
I hear you all, but what I'm trying to find out is

1. Is there any new governmental policy that would enable them to request me to sign another contract

2. Can the school just request me to sign a new contract in the middle of one ... Is this legal?

Don't all contracts have to go through immigration, so if they don't want me to go to immigration, how valid is this. Am I risking my job if I refuse? I've already signed once, why should I agree to another that is for the same time period... The Devil is in the details


Actually, Korea's not quite what you're used to. The Devil's not in the details - your employer is testing to see how far you can be pushed. The correct answer is the one themagicbean gave. Are you risking your job? Yes. Is your job already at risk? Yes. Is your job going to get worse no matter which option you choose? Yes.
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themagicbean



Joined: 04 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them that you already signed one contract, the one immigration has, and you're not happy risking deportation signing another. Then tell them if they want to give you more hours/less pay (whatever bad term) they should've thought of that before the first contract was finalized. Or better yet, take a copy, look it over, then change it to up the pay, lower the hours, and hand it back to them, saying you made a few changes you'd like them to think over. When you need a good attorney PM me.

Which program are you with?
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Showtime wrote:
I hear you all, but what I'm trying to find out is

1. Is there any new governmental policy that would enable them to request me to sign another contract

2. Can the school just request me to sign a new contract in the middle of one ... Is this legal?

Don't all contracts have to go through immigration, so if they don't want me to go to immigration, how valid is this. Am I risking my job if I refuse? I've already signed once, why should I agree to another that is for the same time period... The Devil is in the details


1. No

2. No

I also work for an afterschool program
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Showtime



Joined: 08 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you one and all for your feedback. All comments have been helpful and informative. It's good to get honest feedback from honest folks.

Without going into too many details

Some of the rule changes are

The class should have no more than x amount of students. If if falls to y amount of students they can cancel the class and the contract with that class.

If I'm absent from work I have to make up the class. (What happened to sick days?)

If my sincerity/enthusiasm is judged to be inadequate I can be let go
(What's the criteria for judging these sorts of things?)

Matters not covered in the contract are subject to a School Steering Committee (so basically I'm supposed to waive the right to a real due process and yes I do know Korea has different rules than Western countries, but seriously)

And yet this isn't supposed to go through Immigration???

Unfortunately, I am not able to pm anyone, but if anyone wants to pass on legal contacts that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And yet this isn't supposed to go through Immigration???


That's a definite no. Maybe they are trying to find a way to fire people early to avoid airfare and severance.

Save your money up and plan for another school.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Showtime wrote:

The class should have no more than x amount of students. If if falls to y amount of students they can cancel the class and the contract with that class.

If I'm absent from work I have to make up the class. (What happened to sick days?)

If my sincerity/enthusiasm is judged to be inadequate I can be let go
(What's the criteria for judging these sorts of things?)



Laughing i especially like the enthusiasm clause! ridiculous, definitely don't sign that. you already have a legally-binding contract with them, tell them that if they want to change the contract, they will have to wait until the current contract period has been completed.

it sounds like they just want to squeeze as much work out of you as possible (essentially taking away your paid sick days) and have a fool-proof excuse to fire you.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad-ish wrote:
Showtime wrote:

The class should have no more than x amount of students. If if falls to y amount of students they can cancel the class and the contract with that class.

If I'm absent from work I have to make up the class. (What happened to sick days?)

If my sincerity/enthusiasm is judged to be inadequate I can be let go
(What's the criteria for judging these sorts of things?)



Laughing i especially like the enthusiasm clause! ridiculous, definitely don't sign that. you already have a legally-binding contract with them, tell them that if they want to change the contract, they will have to wait until the current contract period has been completed.

it sounds like they just want to squeeze as much work out of you as possible (essentially taking away your paid sick days) and have a fool-proof excuse to fire you.



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This. OP, sign a new contract at your own risk. This sounds fishy as all get out.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing in this that is good for you. I wouldn't sign it.

It's not always a bad thing when an employer asks you to sign a new contract. For example, my former employer asked me to sign a new contract with a couple more hours and more pay and I was OK with that.

But with this one they're taking away your sick days, asking you to pay the price if they don't have enough students and asking you to give them wide open permission to fire you if they feel like it. How do they determine whether or not you are sincere or enthusiastic enough? No way I would agree to that.

There's nothing that says that you have to sign a new contract when they demand it. They might not be happy if you don't sign it, but in a case like this I would say "too bad."
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