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The 'keeping to the right' thing is going well!
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Mithrae



Joined: 22 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: The 'keeping to the right' thing is going well! Reply with quote

Anyone else amazed at how Koreans prefer anarchy to order. A month or so ago the gov't decided that people were to keep to the right when ascending and descending the stairs/escalators in Seoul. Noone is even attempting to follow the rule, even though there's arrows and notices indicating that people are to go to the right. It's still pure anarchy. Worse yet, some subway stations have changed their escalators to the new rule, while others have not. Again, I suppose noone should be surprised by an absense of consistency in anything Korea does. And I suppose it's too much to ask for order when going up and down stairs from a people who walk (and drive) like pure anarchists. Why follow rules, or show consideration for others in that one area of their daily lives? Doesn't fit the pattern. A cultural change is needed that encompasses walking, driving, etc.

Reminds me of the program, a year or two ago, aimed at getting people to stand on the right on escalators so people could pass on the left. That lasted about three days.

It's amazing that a Confucian society, in some ways so ordered and structured, can also be so amazingly lawless.
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Olivencia



Joined: 08 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Made me laugh. Saw it happen very often in the Philippines. One day it was absolutely insane whereas no one could move either going up or down the stairs so I simply yelled out in a commanding kind of voice, "OK people keep to the right" motioning authoritatively with my arms. To my surprise everyone seemed to fall in line and the bottleneck disappeared. My Filipina wife and I laughed and I told her "I can't believe they listened".
How do you say "Keep to the right" in Korean?
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivencia wrote:

How do you say "Keep to the right" in Korean?


It should be written on yellow signs stuck to the stairs, or at least it's that way in Busan.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if it will happen and just needs time... or a step-up in the campaign...
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following instructions is not a strong Korean trait.
At intersections say behind the white line! can't do
Stop at the right light, can't do
Pedestrians waiting to cross the street, stand on the pavement not the road, can't do.

This is why there is no IKEA in Korea, people would have to follow the assembly instructions. Can't do
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the reason it is sometimes like that is that you'll have 500 people going one way and like 3 going the other, so ignoring the rule makes sense.

Unfortunately, when those times happen where its 500 both ways then the anarchy ensues and boy, is it ANARCHY.
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taobenli



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one who thinks this campaign is silly? I mean, I agree that it's sometimes anarchy in subway stations, because there are so many people. But come on, Korea isn't an authoritarian society anymore, and the heavy-handedness of these campaigns probably reminds people of those days. Can you imagine if such a campaign was started in your own country? I'm sure people would scoff at it. To be fair, whenever I am following signs and walking on the right people generally get out of my way. But I kind of want to applaud when I exit Gangnam station during rush hour, and EVERYONE is walking up the stairs on the left! There is no sense of anarchy in that sense, it's just as if people looked at the signs, thought, "screw you, patronizing Ministry of Transportation" and all chose to do the exact opposite of the sign.

Actually, the only place I can think of such a campaign working almost immediately is Japan. Or North Korea.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taobenli wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this campaign is silly? I mean, I agree that it's sometimes anarchy in subway stations, because there are so many people. But come on, Korea isn't an authoritarian society anymore, and the heavy-handedness of these campaigns probably reminds people of those days. Can you imagine if such a campaign was started in your own country? I'm sure people would scoff at it. To be fair, whenever I am following signs and walking on the right people generally get out of my way. But I kind of want to applaud when I exit Gangnam station during rush hour, and EVERYONE is walking up the stairs on the left! There is no sense of anarchy in that sense, it's just as if people looked at the signs, thought, "screw you, patronizing Ministry of Transportation" and all chose to do the exact opposite of the sign.

Actually, the only place I can think of such a campaign working almost immediately is Japan. Or North Korea.


I think it's silly to even get up in arms about where people walk. Left, right, whatever. I never even considered that people were supposed to WALK on a certain side. DRIVE maybe, but not walk. In fact, I am personally going to continue walking on the left side in open defiance of the absolutely lame, trite, soft, and dare I say uptight, arrogant, and condescending idea that people should walk on one side of wherever.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
Following instructions is not a strong Korean trait.
At intersections say behind the white line! can't do
Stop at the right light, can't do


There is a cultural perception that rules are guidelines only, and they can be ignored or gotten around if it is expedient to do so. Especially given the palli-palli atmosphere and general impatience to get things done.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
taobenli wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this campaign is silly? I mean, I agree that it's sometimes anarchy in subway stations, because there are so many people. But come on, Korea isn't an authoritarian society anymore, and the heavy-handedness of these campaigns probably reminds people of those days. Can you imagine if such a campaign was started in your own country? I'm sure people would scoff at it. To be fair, whenever I am following signs and walking on the right people generally get out of my way. But I kind of want to applaud when I exit Gangnam station during rush hour, and EVERYONE is walking up the stairs on the left! There is no sense of anarchy in that sense, it's just as if people looked at the signs, thought, "screw you, patronizing Ministry of Transportation" and all chose to do the exact opposite of the sign.

Actually, the only place I can think of such a campaign working almost immediately is Japan. Or North Korea.


I think it's silly to even get up in arms about where people walk. Left, right, whatever. I never even considered that people were supposed to WALK on a certain side. DRIVE maybe, but not walk. In fact, I am personally going to continue walking on the left side in open defiance of the absolutely lame, trite, soft, and dare I say uptight, arrogant, and condescending idea that people should walk on one side of wherever.


Yeah I use the old shortest distance between two points rule, which means sometimes i'm on the left sometimes on the right.

I hate the changed escalators, I always go to the wrong side
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