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NCdan



Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Anything besides stickers? Reply with quote

I have 4 preschool classes a day, 20 minutes for each one. I have to finish about 2 pages a day in their regular books, plus one workbook page every day. The only way I've been able to get the kids to pay attention and work fast enough to finish everything is to go through stickers like Rosie O'Donnell goes through Snickers bars. Is there any other way to keep the kids' attention? Besides screaming at them?
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BigLarry



Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bribery is usually the only method that works with the tiny critters.

Eg. Sweets for those that get everything right and an extra one for whoever finishes first. Or, a game of dibby dibby dip with prizes - more sweets - if they all finish on time etc.

The other things you need to look at is workload that is being placed on the kids and classroom management. Is the amount of work too much and too high for their level and are the groups they have placed themselves the most suitable ones?
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BigLarry



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never give out stickers. I don't like the whole reward punishment conditioning aspect of school. If you work with 10 or less students, you can divide the class up and go from group to group. As students finish near the end of class, you can let them go early. The other ones stay longer, and then you get the real slowpokes who have like a page to do. So, on the next day, you get them early and you have them finish it.

I have had a few students now turn around and become the first ones to finish.
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NCdan



Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my smallest preschool class is about 15 kids. Giving out candy may or may not go over well with my supervisor who criticizes everything I do. I'm sure she'd criticize me for giving out stickers if she observed my classes again. What's really annoying is that the one or two Korean teachers that sit and jack off during my preschool classes will complain to my supervisor if the kids aren't absolutely enthralled the entire class, which makes things very hard for me to do when the smart kids finish their workbook in ten seconds and the dumb ones finish next to nothing by the time I need to leave.

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Is the amount of work too much and too high for their level


The work is far too difficult for most of the students, especially the five-year-olds.

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and are the groups they have placed themselves the most suitable ones?


No. They just dump all the kids in a class with no sort of level division, and I have some classes with extreme problem children.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCdan wrote:
I think my smallest preschool class is about 15 kids. Giving out candy may or may not go over well with my supervisor who criticizes everything I do. I'm sure she'd criticize me for giving out stickers if she observed my classes again. What's really annoying is that the one or two Korean teachers that sit and jack off during my preschool classes will complain to my supervisor if the kids aren't absolutely enthralled the entire class, which makes things very hard for me to do when the smart kids finish their workbook in ten seconds and the dumb ones finish next to nothing by the time I need to leave.

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Is the amount of work too much and too high for their level


The work is far too difficult for most of the students, especially the five-year-olds.

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and are the groups they have placed themselves the most suitable ones?


No. They just dump all the kids in a class with no sort of level division, and I have some classes with extreme problem children.


Do the best you can. I know where you're coming from. Maybe you could do a class prize/big sticker chart system. Have a signing sheet tucked in their notebooks instead of issuing stickers like the DMV.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you in the same classroom all the time?

Perhaps a big wall chart with their names on, and you could mark stars or use stickers.

One thing I used to do, (but this was with older kids) was make fake money. They would only get it if they finished their work and extra good kids would get an extra bill.

You can photocopy monopoly money or even real K money if you want. I just drew my own with goofy pictures in the middle, and changed pictures periodically. The kids were all anticipating the new pictures. Cool

The hagwan had a "gift sale" at the end of the year and the kids could buy stuff with the money they earned.

You'd have to get your entire hagwan on side though for this to work.
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NCdan



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you in the same classroom all the time?


No, that's the problem. I see each group of seven-year-olds 3 times a week for 20 minutes at a time, and each group of five and six-year-olds two times a week for 20 minutes at a time, and they're almost all in different classrooms. For ideas like money and sticker charts to work, I'd have to jump through a lot of hoops and the Hagwon is so big that I couldn't see the fake money idea catching on, even though it is a good idea. I just need something quick and easy that would grab the kids' attention for the 20 minutes that I see them. Something like using candy could get me on the bad side of the K teachers and my supervisor while creating unrest in the ranks, as the kids who didn't get a piece of candy would be really upset. I tried creative physical encouragement, but one of the K teachers caught on and complained to my K partner teacher, who asked me if I was beating the children. Well, I certainly wanted to beat the children, but I decided that it would be in my best interest to lay off the physical encouragement, but it was effective while it lasted. Laughing
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stamps, instead of stickers.
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cielle



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Stamps, instead of stickers.


That is a fantastic idea. I always did love getting stamps when I was a young'un...
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Countrygirl



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic Marker works for me. If the students are being bad I say, "Oh, oh, Magic Marker"....and I start to slowly write down the name of the student. If they start to behave while I'm writing their name I stop. If I manage to finish their name then I take a sticker.

It's caught on so well that if one student is being bad, the other students yell out 'Magic Marker!' I also have 3 boys whose name starts with "J" so they all start paying attention once I start writing because they don't know if I am writing down their name or their friend's name.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cielle wrote:
Kikomom wrote:
Stamps, instead of stickers.


That is a fantastic idea. I always did love getting stamps when I was a young'un...


i usually use stamps during my camps and they work like a charm with my middle schoolers! it also helps that i tell them that the three students with the most stamps at the end of the camp get a special prize (i usually give each winner a choco pie and let them choose a small item... like a pack of cute markers, etc. nothing that has cost me over 1500 won). it still costs me much less than stickers.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some notes from one of my MA classes might make for interesting reading on this subject:

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The most important "rule" of radical behaviorism is that a consequence will either serve as a reinforcer or punisher.

1. reinforcement
A reinforcer is any consequence that INCREASES the subsequent frequency of a behavior. It is very important to note that a reinforcement is not always a positive or pleasant thing - just anything that increases a behavior. For example: some kids will increase an undesirable behavior such as hitting another kid if it gets them attention, even if that attention is unpleasant, like being yelled at or sent to the office. You can't ever tell if something is a reinforcer until you see if the behavior increases afterwards. There are two methods for reinforcing a response.
positive
Positive reinforcement is the application of a stimulus. Most of the time, when we are thinking about providing a reinforcement, we think about applying something pleasant, like giving points, candy,stickers for good papers or giving allowance for completion of chores. The Premack Principle (also known as "Grandma's rule") states that a low-frequency behavior can be strengthened through making a high-frequency behavior contingent upon the low-frequency behavior. In other words, eat your broccoli and you can have some ice cream, or do your homework and you can watch television.
negative
Negative reinforcement is a consequence that strengthens a response or behavior by removing a stimulus. Usually the stimulus removed is something unpleasant that the learner does not like anyway. For example, if your child completes his homework each night before 8 p.m., he does not have to take the trash out that evening. This consequence of removing the trash chore will strengthen his behavior of completing homework early.

2. punishment
Punishment is any consequence that decreases the subsequent frequency of a behavior, or weakens it. Punishment, like reinforcement, can be used in two ways: through application or through removal.
positive
Positive punishment is often called application punishment. It involves applying a stimulus that will weaken a certain response. Usually this is going to be application of something unpleasant. Examples of positive punishment are spankings, scoldings, having to appear in court, standing with your nose against the chalkboard, etc. Remember that sometimes you may apply a consequence that is intended as a reinforcer, and it functions as a punisher: You receive a wonderful essay from a student and read it out loud in class. The student is painfully shy and the attention he gets from this is embarrassing to him, so he does not turn in such good work anymore. The consequence you intended as a reinforcer backfired and worked as a punisher in weakening a behavior.
negative
Negative punishment is also known as removal punishment. This consequence consists of removing a stimulus in order to weaken a behavior. For example, taking away privileges, taking away television or video games, phone privileges, the car keys; time-outs or groundings are also negative punishments. EXTINCTION occurs when previous contingencies of reinforcement are taken away and the behavior is weakened or stops. For example, ignoring a tantrum, ignoring the chatting in the back of the room, or not going to pick up the baby during the night when she awakens. RESPONSE COST also involves removal of a reinforcement as a consequence to a behavior. For example, a fine, or removal of a reinforcement previously earned. My friend's little boy loves Star Wars and earned a light saber for using the "big boy potty". However, if he failed to go to the "big boy potty", it was removed from him. Since this was a very reinforcing object for him, the incidence of "accidents" was low and soon - nonexistent.

All this talk about positive and negative reinforcement and punishment can be a bit confusing. Try to think about "positive" and "negative" in math terms--such as "adding" something or "subtracting" something; rather than thinking of them as "good" or "bad." Once you've got that down, then think of reinforcement as always increasing the behavior and punishment always decreasing the behavior. It becomes a bit easier then to think of these terms as some sort of formula. For example: positive + reinforcement = adding something (pleasant) to increase a behavior--such as giving $1 for doing a good job raking the leaves. Another example is: negative + punishment = taking away something (pleasant) to decrease a behavior. This might be taking away television when two children fight over which show to watch. One more example: positive + punishment = adding something (unpleasant) to decrease a behavior. This could be giving a lecture to a teenager who took the car without permission.
Rule 2: Problems with punishment
Use punishment carefully.
It is generally recommended that reinforcement is attempted before punishment is used in modifying a behavior. Punishment CAN be used effectively, but there are many possible undesirable side effects of using punishment. One possible drawback is that punishment may be effective in SUPPRESSING a behavior, but not in stopping it altogether. In other words, the learner will not perform the behavior... as long as the punisher is around. If I yell at my spouse for smoking cigars in the house, he will not do it... while I'm home. Another undesirable effect of use of punishment is that the recipient may learn ESCAPE or AVOIDANCE responses. In other words, they know a punishment is coming, so they learn what to do to make the punishment stop, or to avoid the punishment altogether. For example, a child who is punished for getting poor grades may "lose" the report card or lie about the grades. If a student comes to school and is unprepared for a test, she may "get sick" and have to go home. Those are examples of avoidance learning, where the aversive stimulus is avoided altogether. An example of escape learning is when a woman gets pulled over for speeding and bursts into tears when the officer pulls out his ticket pad. Sometimes (apparently) the ticket can be escaped from is this ruse is used. Escape learning differs from avoidance learning in that with escape learning, the learner knows how to make an aversive stimulus STOP once it has begun. With avoidance learning, the learner never allows the aversive stimulus to begin!
There are several side effects especially associated with punishment that causes pain, such as corporal punishment. It may teach the learner to FEAR the punisher. AGGRESSION and ANGER are other possible products of corporal punishment. LEARNED HELPLESSNESS may also result from punishment. Learned helplessness is defined in your text as "the passive acceptance of events seemingly beyond one's control." If you study really really hard for a statistics test, and then get a D, and next time you study even harder for statistics, and get a D, what are the chances that you will spend a lot of time studying next test? People who are victims of abuse often have learned helplessness because the abuse does not depend upon their behavior at all. Yet another drawback of use of punishment: the behavior-consequence contingency may not be recognized. In other words, the learner may not knowwhat he is being punished for. Finally, punishment may eliminate one undesirable behavior, but there is no guarantee it will be replaced with a desirableone! For example, you may spank your toddler for pinching the new baby. Indeed, she may stop pinching the baby, but instead decide to pull the baby's hair or flick the baby's cheek. In a nutshell, it is recommended that a 'teacher' use punishment sparingly on a 'learner' and try to use it as a last resort.


Textbook source: Human Learning by Jeanne Ellis Ormrod. ISBN-13: 978-0-13-700602-1
Thanks to Ihui Su for notes
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ChaBaa



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One idea for mixed ability classes is "Team Teaching", where the students help each other. Mix them up into groups that have a range of abilities in each. I did this in Thailand and it worked a treat. We had week-long "competitions" (I saw them everyday) where they were rewarded points for eg. the whole group finishing first, neatest handwriting, first group to clear away all their desks and sit up straight. I could also deduct points from this for eg. not listening to me, acting up in class, shouting. Every Friday we would have a short game session, where the winning team got to choose the game. Since I gave them the options of the games this was easy to manipulate into a little revision excercise. Or sometimes I'd give the winning team candy, or let them "be the teacher" for a while...thus they could make their friends do whatever they liked!! It worked out that over a few months, each of the 6 teams eventually were the winners Wink It really helped them to work together, and they were very into it.

For you, practically speaking, maybe you could have a 4 class cycle, with the winners eg. not having to do any tidying when they win, or the "losers" have to sing a song in front of the class. You could keep a piece of A4/A3 for each group (maybe laminate to re-use?) with the team names on, and at the end of each class tot up the points you've been marking down on the board, and add them to the Point-Chart....
Good Luck!!
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NCdan



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of these ideas could and already are working well for my 1st+ grade classes. But the five-year-olds I see for twenty minutes twice a week will not comprehend any of the more complicated team systems and what not. I'm just some guy incoherently babbling for 20 minutes that may or may not keep them entertained. Even when I drag the bad ones outside and scream in their faces they misunderstand me 90% of the time. I think they understand the words "good" and "bad," and that's about it. Stickers and pressure points seem to be the only things that get them to pay attention. Although, the stamps are a decent idea; I'll see if the dollar store by me has any.
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