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dr. love
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GreenlightmeansGO
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jvalmer
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Was this on TV or just the morning radio?
Hate to break it to you but most Canadians only watch the CBC for sports. Barely going to register, just like most people barely know about Korea except for some guy named Kim Jong-Il.
If this issue gets onto CNN or the front page of a national newspaper I'll be impressed. |
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dr. love
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:32 am Post subject: |
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I got an email about it from a friend this morning, he heard it on his way into work on thursday (he lives in Toronto)
Alot of people listen to CBC Radio, myself included.
I found it to be a well balanced piece and interesting perspective.
This is not even a pressing issue for me and I live here.
Anyways just thought I would share it with the people it concerns the most... you guys. |
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nautilus
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The brief interview with Stephen Snowball did not give english teachers a good image. In his words korea is "like one big frat party and all you have to do is show up to work for a few hours each day" etc.
Actually many teachers here do more than just show up for a couple of hours ..and do more than the bare minimum. Most do not take marijuana (at least not in Korea) and most work pretty hard in often difficult cross-cultural circumstances. many do not spend every moment of their free time in Itaewon..and actually do other acctivities than only drinking... |
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bigwilly999
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| It's already been nationally syndicated in print. Can this thread be merged MOD? |
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beercanman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: |
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The brief interview with Stephen Snowball did not give english teachers a good image. In his words korea is "like one big frat party and all you have to do is show up to work for a few hours each day" etc.
Actually many teachers here do more than just show up for a couple of hours ..and do more than the bare minimum. Most do not take marijuana (at least not in Korea) and most work pretty hard in often difficult cross-cultural circumstances. many do not spend every moment of their free time in Itaewon..and actually do other activities than only drinking... |
was gonna say the same thing. Snowball (haha, his real name?) did a disservice to expats in Korea with what he said. The others were better. Was an interesting broadcast all the same. |
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mc_jc
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Despite that "snowball", the law professor really hit the nail on the head when it comes to the reason why AES was established in the first place- to stop Korean women from dating foreign men.
In many countries, this would not be a problem. The only other places I could this being a huge issue is in the Middle East, but there they would simply stone the woman for her transgression and not blame the foreigner.
If this is such a big deal for many Koreans and since AES has such a huge influence over policies regarding foreigners teaching in Korea- why doesn't the government simply segregate Korean women from foreign men? Why not imprison the foreign male and fine the woman for being in such "illegal" relationships? Why not put a ban on Foreign men-Korean women marriages and do away with the F-3/F-5 visas for foreign men and only issue them to foreign women marrying Korean men.
It would be the best way to go for Korea. |
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Old Gil
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
Was this on TV or just the morning radio?
Hate to break it to you but most Canadians only watch the CBC for sports. Barely going to register, just like most people barely know about Korea except for some guy named Kim Jong-Il.
If this issue gets onto CNN or the front page of a national newspaper I'll be impressed. |
Man it's never ending.
National Post? So what, let me know when it's on CBC. CBC? So what? Let me know when it's got VIDEO. VIDEO? SO WHAT? LET ME KNOW WHEN IT'S ON MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL! |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Despite that "snowball", the law professor really hit the nail on the head when it comes to the reason why AES was established in the first place- to stop Korean women from dating foreign men.
In many countries, this would not be a problem. The only other places I could this being a huge issue is in the Middle East, but there they would simply stone the woman for her transgression and not blame the foreigner.
If this is such a big deal for many Koreans and since AES has such a huge influence over policies regarding foreigners teaching in Korea- why doesn't the government simply segregate Korean women from foreign men? Why not imprison the foreign male and fine the woman for being in such "illegal" relationships? Why not put a ban on Foreign men-Korean women marriages and do away with the F-3/F-5 visas for foreign men and only issue them to foreign women marrying Korean men.
It would be the best way to go for Korea. |
Well, if South Korea ever took any of those drastic steps, it would get a lot of international attention and not in a good way. In other words, South Korea would lose face. Of course, I am sure that you are just being sarcastic. |
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mc_jc
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| mc_jc wrote: |
Despite that "snowball", the law professor really hit the nail on the head when it comes to the reason why AES was established in the first place- to stop Korean women from dating foreign men.
In many countries, this would not be a problem. The only other places I could this being a huge issue is in the Middle East, but there they would simply stone the woman for her transgression and not blame the foreigner.
If this is such a big deal for many Koreans and since AES has such a huge influence over policies regarding foreigners teaching in Korea- why doesn't the government simply segregate Korean women from foreign men? Why not imprison the foreign male and fine the woman for being in such "illegal" relationships? Why not put a ban on Foreign men-Korean women marriages and do away with the F-3/F-5 visas for foreign men and only issue them to foreign women marrying Korean men.
It would be the best way to go for Korea. |
Well, if South Korea ever took any of those drastic steps, it would get a lot of international attention and not in a good way. In other words, South Korea would lose face. Of course, I am sure that you are just being sarcastic. |
It is dripping with good ol' fashion American sarcasm.
But you have to see the irony in it.
To be honest- if this was aired in the US, many Americans would be in favor of the strict regulations Koreans are putting into law. I strongly believe many Americans, who would be oblivious to what is going on over here, would simply ask "whats the fuss?"
But I also think Koreans need to have a more pragmatic reason other than to keep foreigners away from their women. |
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skindleshanks
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Why not put a ban on Foreign men-Korean women marriages and do away with the F-3/F-5 visas for foreign men and only issue them to foreign women marrying Korean men.
It would be the best way to go for Korea. |
That's the way it WAS until about 2002. (It's an F-2 visa, btw) There are a lot of F-5s that take advantage of the visa to do things other than teach English--start a business, get a part-time job, otherwise INTEGRATE into Korean society and offer their KOREAN family a relatively normal life. Which is the whole purpose of a marraige visa, no matter what country you're in. |
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mc_jc
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| That's the way it WAS until about 2002. (It's an F-2 visa, btw) There are a lot of F-5s that take advantage of the visa to do things other than teach English--start a business, get a part-time job, otherwise [try to] INTEGRATE into Korean society and offer their KOREAN family a relatively normal life. Which is the whole purpose of a marraige visa, no matter what country you're in. |
Good post- but a little delusional in the sense that no matter what a person does or try to do, they are always seen as a foreigner.
Also, thanks for correcting me on the visa nomenclature- I stand corrected.
I would know nothing about that since I am on an A-2 visa. |
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