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6 hours a day teaching is excessive...I wouldn't do it
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was my first two years in Korea.

3 to 9pm, 50-minute classes with 10-minute breaks, never a free period, 50 weeks a year. Money was low/average.

Really, I didnt mind it. You catch a rhythm & run with it. That was my training ground & I emerged a pretty good teacher. Had an active social life too.


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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've spent three years under each scheme

i worked 3-9 five days a week for three years and loved it, came in at 2pm for one hour prep daily and went home at 9 sharp, absolutely no desk warming, meetings or office politics, just show up, hustle to prep then teach and go home, never taking my work home with me, but putting every minute into teaching while at work - was wonderful, better after getting a CELTA following my second year, like a runner's high, i was flying, enjoying every minute of teaching and that kind of joy is infectious, the students liked my classes, life was good

after that, i took a job teaching only 3 classes a day one day, 4 classes the next, at a slow, smaller hagwon that paid half a mill more for half the teaching load, oh sure iwent to work at 2, taught from 250 or 340 to 610 then went home, a real sweet short hagwon schedule, and it was another good three years, but i kinda felt like 3 or 4 classes a day just lacked the high-flying fun of 6 a day, 3 and 4 classes a day felt so... part time
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you are talking 30hrs a week, are we talking 30x60min classes? I don't know any place that does that.

Also, what are you talking about in terms of prep?

Having to do only 1 or 2 preps can make all the difference in the world, though it gets boring as hell repeating the same lesson over and over again.

I teach on average 5 45 minute periods a day and I do a couple hours of privates at the end of the day. The only thing that I've noticed, is I now have to do a bit of work on the weekends because I don't get it all done during the week.

However, for the money I am making, it is worth it.

Also, I come home to my wife and a hot meal...so is that icing on the cake?
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach 7-9 hours a day. I deal with it just fine.
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WoBW



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: HBC

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: 6 hours a day teaching is excessive...I wouldn't do it Reply with quote

Olivencia wrote:
Too much. 30 hours of teaching a week? Get real. Plus you have prep time and loads of other stupidity to contend with. It's difficult enough being in a foreign country. You go home and a dark cold room with no food welcomes you except for those dirty dishes and nasty old underwear you left on the floor. The Koreans go home to a warm and welcoming home in that the wife/nanny has the table prepared and the place is clean.
6 hour days? I'd tell em to shove it.


No it isn't. Only if you're a baby who misses your mama. Living in Korea is a piece of cake.
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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivencia wrote:
runthegauntlet..who cares about your observation. yu can shove it as well.
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Old Gil,
Homosexuality? Sorry but that is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Get a clue. Can't help help it if you can't stop thinking about it Smile

You two deserve each other..have a nice..whatever.

bye bye Wink


LULZ. Could a better response have been predicted?

Nope.
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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: 6 hours a day teaching is excessive...I wouldn't do it Reply with quote

WoBW wrote:
Olivencia wrote:
Too much. 30 hours of teaching a week? Get real. Plus you have prep time and loads of other stupidity to contend with. It's difficult enough being in a foreign country. You go home and a dark cold room with no food welcomes you except for those dirty dishes and nasty old underwear you left on the floor. The Koreans go home to a warm and welcoming home in that the wife/nanny has the table prepared and the place is clean.
6 hour days? I'd tell em to shove it.


No it isn't. Only if you're a baby who misses your mama. Living in Korea is a piece of cake.


The OP has been made again.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, teaching 30 class hours per week is so easy, it's like a vacation. Even teaching twice that, plus prep and grading papers is easier than a corporate management job.

Real teaching is easy. Teachers really have a light workload. Try factory work, farm work, construction, accounting, engineering, management or many other jobs ... it really is like a vacation when you only have to teach 30 hours per week of classes.
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Chambertin



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: Gunsan

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
I don't care who you are...teaching 30 hours a week, after week, after week, is NOT a good teacher. You are only fooling yourself if you think you are. Sure, for the first month it's OK, and then you go downhill. Besides...why would one do it anyway? Desperate? Can't land a job back home? 6 classes a day? Prep time? Etc...
Nope...can't be done consistently and maintain a good quality level of teaching. Besides, what did you go to college for�and I know you were not taught to teach 6 classes a day, day in and day out!


Teaching in Korea is not being a good teacher. Lets face it we are skilled babysitters. At best in the public system or high class Hagwon you are a test prep person.

Get off the high pedestal you all hold yourselves to and realize the real conditions you are in. Go out in town and talk to the people who use English, they are either really strange or really successful. The difference is their own motivation not the teacher they had.

For those who talk about how the "quality" of teaching suffers I ask you this, why arent you teaching back in the US or other home country to underprivileged youths? Thats where a good teacher needs to be, not on this forum making yourself feel good.

We could go round and round on this and I will just get the next four steps out of the way.
Yes there are good teachers out there.
Yes learning English can have a positive impact on the child's future.
Yes it is possible that you are somehow bypassing the babysitting function of English.

However 90% of schools the fact is English is just for test prep or babysitting purposes. I think the bragging nature of English knowledge that the locals have has bleed too deep into those teachers who stick around a number of years and dont take an objective look at what they do.

30 hours a week is no problem. I do more than that and dont get burned out. I get fed up with the BS classes, but just do the minimum and then spend the real time on those classes with students who have a genuine interest in learning.
People burn out teaching 30 hours when they expect this to be just like some teaching model they read about in teachign school. That is not Korea. You have to be very adaptive here, and hence many have trouble.
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gregoriomills



Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Location: Busan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chambertin wrote:

We could go round and round on this and I will just get the next four steps out of the way.
Yes there are good teachers out there.
Yes learning English can have a positive impact on the child's future.
Yes it is possible that you are somehow bypassing the babysitting function of English.

However 90% of schools the fact is English is just for test prep or babysitting purposes. I think the bragging nature of English knowledge that the locals have has bleed too deep into those teachers who stick around a number of years and dont take an objective look at what they do.

30 hours a week is no problem. I do more than that and dont get burned out. I get fed up with the BS classes, but just do the minimum and then spend the real time on those classes with students who have a genuine interest in learning.
People burn out teaching 30 hours when they expect this to be just like some teaching model they read about in teachign school. That is not Korea. You have to be very adaptive here, and hence many have trouble.


+1

A better job/happier life here in Korea DOES NOT equal less working hours. It boils down to being able to do your job adequately and spending your off-time enjoying yourself/getting the most out of your time.

Since 90% are moving on/going back home with a year or two, bragging about how little you work/how big your apt is/how much you get paid is a lot like a university student bragging about how big his apt is or how sweet his part-time job is. You get what you get, and most all of it is pretty comparable.

You ability to come to Korea and enjoy your 1 or 2 years here will ultimately be symbolic of your ability to adapt and enjoy life in general.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the 30 hours, are they all different classes? Are you teaching the same one? I've got 30 hours here in Peru and spend a couple hours a day on "public" transport. They're all privates though. you CAN do it. If you manage your time. But I also teach 6 days a week. And each class is 60 minutes. I create my own syllabus, copy materials from books, or make my own games and materials. I have different levels and ages, so nothings' the same.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a beginning teacher, I did 35 contact hours a week, 6 days a week, for a year at American University Alumni in Bangkok. I learned a lot, but I would never do that again. For beginners, at a good school, it's a quick learning curve.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to break it to you, but if teaching 30 hours a week is "a piece of cake" or "like a vacation" to you, you're not doing something right.
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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no Picasso wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but if teaching 30 hours a week is "a piece of cake" or "like a vacation" to you, you're not doing something right.


Compared to many jobs, it is.

Which is exactly what he said before you snipped his quote.
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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
But the 30 hours, are they all different classes? Are you teaching the same one? I've got 30 hours here in Peru and spend a couple hours a day on "public" transport. They're all privates though. you CAN do it. If you manage your time. But I also teach 6 days a week. And each class is 60 minutes. I create my own syllabus, copy materials from books, or make my own games and materials. I have different levels and ages, so nothings' the same.


It's usually 6-10 different classes done multiple times a week. And usually, all books, materials, and syllabi are already made. Once you do that for one term and get it all sorted out, the rest of the year you can basically just grab your stuff and go to class if no books or anything change.
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