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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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 Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: Gotta laugh - the arrogance of youth! |
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http://dailyuw.com/2008/4/25/uw-students-protest-us-troops-south-korea/
I know it was from last year but hey! Still good for a gawp seeing as we are people who know something about the country these kids are protesting about.
If there is one nation who should be on its BENDED KNEES to US foreign policy it is South Korea - If the US military pulled out tomorrow - how many of you would stay with the confidence of the South Korean military to defend you? Not many I bet! |
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conrad2
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| Complete undergrad morons who have no sense of histroy or perspective. Many of them are Korean-Americans. Do you really think you would be studying at UW now and be American citizens if it were not for US miltray intervention. If you dont like the US army in Korea, protest against the Korean govenment who has the final say on who stations troops on its soil. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Gotta laugh - the arrogance of youth! |
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| Bog Roll wrote: |
http://dailyuw.com/2008/4/25/uw-students-protest-us-troops-south-korea/
I know it was from last year but hey! Still good for a gawp seeing as we are people who know something about the country these kids are protesting about.
If there is one nation who should be on its BENDED KNEES to US foreign policy it is South Korea - If the US military pulled out tomorrow - how many of you would stay with the confidence of the South Korean military to defend you? Not many I bet! |
I'd feel fine. Clearly you've bought into Kim Jong Il's hype machine surrounding his tunnels, million men with AKs and undeliverable nuclear arsenal.
Please enlighten us as to how the SK military would fold and how the NK army would run roughshod over the place.
That being said, those students are morons.
The US Army isn't necessary to defend SK, but its a good bit of strategery for both the SKs and the Americans to have the Americans over there.
Young people are stupid.
EDIT- at the same time I don't think the people of this country should be on bended knees to America or worshiping and thanking Americans left
and right unless the person is an actual veteran.
NETs need to stop acting like they had anything to do with the Korean War. Totally undeserving to take credit for it. If you feel that you are entitled to group/cultural credit for the US saving Korea, then you are entitled to group/cultural blame for Jim Crow. |
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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Gotta laugh - the arrogance of youth! |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Bog Roll wrote: |
http://dailyuw.com/2008/4/25/uw-students-protest-us-troops-south-korea/
I know it was from last year but hey! Still good for a gawp seeing as we are people who know something about the country these kids are protesting about.
If there is one nation who should be on its BENDED KNEES to US foreign policy it is South Korea - If the US military pulled out tomorrow - how many of you would stay with the confidence of the South Korean military to defend you? Not many I bet! |
I'd feel fine. Clearly you've bought into Kim Jong Il's hype machine surrounding his tunnels, million men with AKs and undeliverable nuclear arsenal.
Please enlighten us as to how the SK military would fold and how the NK army would run roughshod over the place.
That being said, those students are morons.
The US Army isn't necessary to defend SK, but its a good bit of strategery for both the SKs and the Americans to have the Americans over there.
Young people are stupid. |
It probably wouldn't run roughshod SR but the Norks would cause considerable damage and are enough of a threat to get your average ESL teachers arse twitching and looking for the first plane back to Wyoming. 
My money would be on the South but you are looking at 'Before' and 'After' pics of the carnage caused to your wonderful nation when the ceasefire is called - when are you going to make the same sacrifice as our mate Fermentation eh?
PS: Tell me what benefit the US gets from defending the south from the nutacse north? Don't tell me its those dastardly Chinese!  Have you not heard the news - they are FRIENDS now - together forever in a capitalist wonderland!
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Gotta laugh - the arrogance of youth! |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Bog Roll wrote: |
http://dailyuw.com/2008/4/25/uw-students-protest-us-troops-south-korea/
I know it was from last year but hey! Still good for a gawp seeing as we are people who know something about the country these kids are protesting about.
If there is one nation who should be on its BENDED KNEES to US foreign policy it is South Korea - If the US military pulled out tomorrow - how many of you would stay with the confidence of the South Korean military to defend you? Not many I bet! |
I'd feel fine. Clearly you've bought into Kim Jong Il's hype machine surrounding his tunnels, million men with AKs and undeliverable nuclear arsenal.
Please enlighten us as to how the SK military would fold and how the NK army would run roughshod over the place.
That being said, those students are morons.
The US Army isn't necessary to defend SK, but its a good bit of strategery for both the SKs and the Americans to have the Americans over there.
Young people are stupid.
EDIT- at the same time I don't think the people of this country should be on bended knees to America or worshiping and thanking Americans left
and right unless the person is an actual veteran.
NETs need to stop acting like they had anything to do with the Korean War. Totally undeserving to take credit for it. If you feel that you are entitled to group/cultural credit for the US saving Korea, then you are entitled to group/cultural blame for Jim Crow. |
just to play the other side... please enlighten us as to how NK wouldn't overrun the south. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| There were tons of debate over this and I'm on the side that thinks the Norks would not take over the South even with the Americans gone. And its not just because I'm in the ROK military either, although I'm sure my presence will have those commies trembling in their boots. |
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jvalmer
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What's the problem with protesting? Isn't that one of the reasons the US army tell their soldiers why they fight? For freedom? Or maybe you think that they should restrict protests against the US?
It wasn't until the late 80's that students could protest the US without worrying about the military cracking their heads. I see no problem with any kind of protests, as long as it doesn't get violent it's all fine. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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The voices in the wilderness howl on, and on, and on...
It is about freedom. But in any free country there must be a counterbalance to freedom that maintains stability and sanity. It is called censuring. Not censoring, but censuring. If you're a dumbass, and you raise your voice so enough people will hear you, then expect to be censured for being a dumbass.
It is impossible to estimate how many Koreans on either side of the line would perish as a result of a second civil war. A lot, no doubt. But with Uncle Sam hanging about? A whole lot more northerners than southern, you'd better believe it.
It's not about winning. It's about preventing tens of thousands of dead, hundreds of thousands of wounded, and a repeat of the misery known as post-war Korea. The U.S. has a big investment in South Korea. Those students benefit from that investment.
They should all move north. Like neo-bulsheviks in America, let them all go red. Pull out the silver spoon, let them speak with a new tongue, and let the spoon be replaced with lead. |
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On the other hand
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Location: I walk along the avenue
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| M1S claims the United States Forces Korea (USFK) is responsible for several offenses against South Korea, including suppressing movements for South Korean democracy and independence, stealing land from South Korean farmers and fueling the sex trade in Asia. |
They really gotta lay off this rhetoric about the US military "fueling" the sex trade in Korea. That's just gonna make them look like imbeciles to anyone who's actually lived in Korea.
Bog Roll wrote:
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| PS: Tell me what benefit the US gets from defending the south from the nutacse north? Don't tell me its those dastardly Chinese! Have you not heard the news - they are FRIENDS now - together forever in a capitalist wonderland! |
Well, sharing an ecomomic philosophy doesn't neccessarily mean that you're going to be friends, in the complete sense of the word. The US and Britian have both been capitalist for centuries, but that didn't stop them from maintaining an economic and even a military rivalry well into the 19th Century(The Fenian raids were in the mid-1860s, I believe.)
Since Nixon toasted the health of Chairman Mao, we've basically had a situation where the US and China share an understanding that while they are willing to ally with one another on this or that geopolitical conflict(Angola and Cambodia being the most famous examples, though there are others), they both more-or-less agree to stay out of each other's geographic and political backyards. I'm pretty sure that China does not want the peninsula unified under South Korean terms, which could very well mean American or US-allied SK troops on their border.
As for the Americans, I doubt Mr. Obama wants to wake up one morning to read in the papers that all those KIA and Hyundai company towns in the deep-south are now answerable to the Chinese and/or North Korean soldiers who just shot their way into company headquarters in Seoul. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| just to play the other side... please enlighten us as to how NK wouldn't overrun the south. |
I don't think North Korea has the long-term resources to in a war, and any attack they do, short of a skirmish/midget sub type incident is going to lead to full on war. Sorry, but contrary to popular opinion the NKs don't seem crazy. They wouldn't start a war just to severely damage South Korea and then lose.
South Korea has twice the population, way more foreign currency reserves, would have a far easier time securing a steady supply of petroleum and would have the superior industry and infrastructure in a sustained conflict. With that in mind, why do I, as the North, start a war rather than maintaining the status quo.
It's not easy to pull of a blitzkrieg either. The defenses in the DMZ, the ability of of reconnaissance/spies to detect any buildup and the terrain would not favor the North Koreans. Seoul is to big to occupy and Seoul is to big to contain and bypass. Not to mention the Norks would not be able to concentrate their forces, they would have to defend their border with China, prevent internal upheaval, and maintain a reserve to deal with any Inchon-type amphibious assault, meanwhile the SKs would be able to concentrate all of their forces to meet the NK assault. Not to mention the disparity in terms of quality of equipment and its technological level.
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| stealing land from South Korean farmers |
 
M1S needs to stop taking field trips to Vancouver.
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| Tell me what benefit the US gets from defending the south from the nutacse north? Don't tell me its those dastardly Chinese! Have you not heard the news - they are FRIENDS now - together forever in a capitalist wonderland! |
No, a nice market to sell weapons and technology to.
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| My money would be on the South but you are looking at 'Before' and 'After' pics of the carnage caused to your wonderful nation when the ceasefire is called - when are you going to make the same sacrifice as our mate Fermentation eh? |
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.
My nation is the U.S.A., thank you. BUT, I would stick around here if things were to pass. Running accomplishes nothing. |
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Mr. Pink
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After watching the propaganda films Transformers and Transformers 2, I have come to realize it doesn't matter if American troops pull out of Korea, as they are everywhere and able to "bring the rain" within 20 minutes of one of their units calling for it. Thus, the North's invasion attempts would be stopped by this "bringing of the rain" that would most likely come from the Americans stationed in and around Japan.
Hell, as a Canadian, I wish our high taxes could buy some of this "rain" that the US has. Hmm maybe the Americans should let us rent their military capabilities. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
After watching the propaganda films Transformers and Transformers 2, I have come to realize it doesn't matter if American troops pull out of Korea, as they are everywhere and able to "bring the rain" within 20 minutes of one of their units calling for it. Thus, the North's invasion attempts would be stopped by this "bringing of the rain" that would most likely come from the Americans stationed in and around Japan.
Hell, as a Canadian, I wish our high taxes could buy some of this "rain" that the US has. Hmm maybe the Americans should let us rent their military capabilities. |
Any country can, just absorb U.S. debt and/or export cheap consumer goods to America.
What do you think Europe and Asia have been doing all this time? |
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Old Gil
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Location: Got out! olleh!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The destruction of Seoul is seen as a loss by USFK. SK need not be overrun for the country to essentially destroyed in an economic sense. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
After watching the propaganda films Transformers and Transformers 2, I have come to realize it doesn't matter if American troops pull out of Korea, as they are everywhere and able to "bring the rain" within 20 minutes of one of their units calling for it. Thus, the North's invasion attempts would be stopped by this "bringing of the rain" that would most likely come from the Americans stationed in and around Japan.
Hell, as a Canadian, I wish our high taxes could buy some of this "rain" that the US has. Hmm maybe the Americans should let us rent their military capabilities. |
Hahahaha. Fabulous post. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
After watching the propaganda films Transformers and Transformers 2, I have come to realize it doesn't matter if American troops pull out of Korea, as they are everywhere and able to "bring the rain" within 20 minutes of one of their units calling for it. Thus, the North's invasion attempts would be stopped by this "bringing of the rain" that would most likely come from the Americans stationed in and around Japan.
Hell, as a Canadian, I wish our high taxes could buy some of this "rain" that the US has. Hmm maybe the Americans should let us rent their military capabilities. |
Bring the Rain!
http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2460146&cch=16 |
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