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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: women and how they feel about men crying Reply with quote

I overheard some lady employees talking at this coffee shop I frequent, and they were saying how there are degrees to which men crying is acceptable. For statistics purposes, the women ranged in age from years 18-32 and were your typical Long Island tanned honey, a Philippino punk rocker, a college engineering student, a self-proclaimed Jewbi (Jewish bi-sexual--I know, I never heard this before either)...so my point is that their views were all varied.

For example:

A. Death of a friend/family member/pet: acceptable
B. Sad movie: depending on the genre... chick flicks are not acceptable, war dramas are acceptable
C. Crying during a break-up: only acceptable if you like him, but it just won't work out. If you don't like him, then it's unacceptable.
D. Departure for a job, military duty, or school: a few teardrops are acceptable, but sobbing is not acceptable.

Not to be all fem, but WOW.

I seriously hope these girls are just a small minority of how women feel. Being a woman, I really never had to think about this. WTF?!
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: women and how they feel about men crying Reply with quote

MollyBloom wrote:
I overheard some lady employees talking at this coffee shop I frequent, and they were saying how there are degrees to which men crying is acceptable. For statistics purposes, the women ranged in age from years 18-32 and were your typical Long Island tanned honey, a Philippino punk rocker, a college engineering student, a self-proclaimed Jewbi (Jewish bi-sexual--I know, I never heard this before either)...so my point is that their views were all varied.

For example:

A. Death of a friend/family member/pet: acceptable
B. Sad movie: depending on the genre... chick flicks are not acceptable, war dramas are acceptable
C. Crying during a break-up: only acceptable if you like him, but it just won't work out. If you don't like him, then it's unacceptable.
D. Departure for a job, military duty, or school: a few teardrops are acceptable, but sobbing is not acceptable.

Not to be all fem, but WOW.

I seriously hope these girls are just a small minority of how women feel. Being a woman, I really never had to think about this. WTF?!


This is something that a lot of men either have to come to terms with or have to fight very, very hard. Culture is a very powerful thing. The whole concept of "boys don't cry" is deeply ingrained, and it can be argued is partially responsible for emotional disruptions in men.

A. Death of a friend, yes, but in private. Death of a family member, yes, but in private. Death of a hero, yes, but it should be restrained.

I don't care how badass you think you are, Taps will make any man weep.

B. A tear here and there during a sad movie is no big deal. Actual crying is "weak." Genre is pretty irrelevant. I myself have cried from sadness, awe, and pride during movies, but only a tear or two. Actual weeping, unless we are talking something really heavy (like a Holocaust survivor crying during Schindler's List), is not acceptable.

C. Men don't cry during a breakup. Period.

D. I'll say this one is pretty accurate.

I don't necessarily agree with the "boys don't cry" standard. But I follow it and enforce it. I think most men are unable to actually weep. It's a very powerful repression. Either a man accepts this social decorum or he fights it, trying to open up his emotions and vent.

But it's never easy, and I think it is a big reason why most men are more comfortable expressing deep sadness through anger and frustration. Maybe not very healthy, but who's to say?

Either way, this is a dialogue unfit for women. What is acceptable behavior is a contention between men, men and their sons, men and their grandsons. The whole idea of women dictating masculine behavioral standards is simply repulsive. I know this might sound a little barbaric, but this is as much a dialogue among women as it is for men to dictate how women should act while giving birth -- simply not appropriate.
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought my brother got a little shafted because people always assumed he was't very sentimental because he's a guy. He is. He is also a strong guy.

No one should dictate anyone elses behavior. It's definitely comparable to men having a conversation about the appropriateness of skirt length. Men should be able to wear their skirt as long or as short as they like.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw every single one of my long-term guys cry like babies, often during breakups or really bad fights where they thought we were going to break up. I think it was mostly just out of frustration, rather than any other kind of emotion. I don't think I've ever seen someone I'm seeing cry outside of that situation. I can be really infuriating during fights, I guess.

Anyway, I'm usually way more worried about me crying in front of them. You know. Minding my *own* business and that.
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a guy. I feel what I feel. If I feel like crying, I will and nothing's gonna stop me. If some guy wants to cry in front of me, then that's also fine by me. Tears are a sign of strength. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Jeonmunka



Joined: 05 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One time sobbed in my adult life: After I got home from when I beared and beared a massive migraine while at a stupid hospital here and had to wait and wait, wriggling in agony on the chair and on the bench seats for hours. I finally got to my house and I slid onto the bed and sobbed "Aaaarrrghhhh, it's so painful!"
It really was.

Death of a parent quietly mourned.

Apart from that some watery eyes from a sad or particularly poignant movie scene. Funny that something intellectually brilliant can inspire tears. But, I am a little melancholy and dreamy at heart. I like to make-believe the World knows all the answers.
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beercanman



Joined: 16 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a guy is (really) drunk you never know what could happen. All sorts of emotions can occur. Or if he is quite depressed, tears can happen for no apparent reason other than his mood is bad.
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Triban



Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A. Death of a friend/family member/pet: acceptable

As a man this is the only one that is acceptable, however, I have never cried at a funeral...I do not know why. I have sobbed over a previous lover leaving for Paris for a year, and in my mind's eye I now see how pathetic I must have seemed; it disgusts me.

Crying of any type is usually a huge turn-off and disgusts me when anyone is doing it, regardless of gender. A man may cry in privacy, but no one wants to see that. Keep your emotions in check.
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Faunaki



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't stand men crying.

Have you noticed how often Korean men cry, especially on TV? Ahh makes me sick but my husband has pointed out to me that my thinking is wrong and I agree but I have a feeling it's too deeply engrained and that I'll pass it on to my son.

The thing is my dad cries but only when he's sad, so that's acceptable in my opinion.

I'm worried I'm gonna snap at my son to "suck it up" if he starts to cry when he's older. Then he'll be traumatized and have cry issues.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't men cry? I don't have a problem with it.

People are people, people have emotions. Let it all out, I say!
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm glad people qualified to authorize when and where guys can cry have found this thread. We really wouldn't have known what to do with our emotions without you guys!
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloopity Bloop wrote:
Well I'm glad people qualified to authorize when and where guys can cry have found this thread. We really wouldn't have known what to do with our emotions without you guys!


The strange thing is that they're mostly men! The women, for the most part, have been like, "Meh whatever."

Anyway. Real men blah blah blah. Rolling Eyes I bet I could make everyone of the male posters above cry, if I really tried.
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Triban



Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
Why can't men cry? I don't have a problem with it.

People are people, people have emotions. Let it all out, I say!


As a man you should prefer to keep it bottled up in a deep dark place, only letting it out in the form of anger or pour said emotion into something constructive like work, the opposite sex, alcohol, and video games.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Death of a female relative/friend/significant other. Dad doesn't want to see you cry. Only time to sob.

Death of a pet, most likely a dog or horse. Not sobbing, only a tear or two. That's what drinking is for.

Movies- Must be holocaust survivor/World War II survivor, wife with Alzheimer's, etc. personal. Again only a tear or two.

Tragedy involving childhood hero i.e., Ernie Harwell's/Lou Gherig's farewell speech. Again, watery eye, not sobbing.

Everything else is to be dealt with by drinking, smoking, repression, sports, avoidance, snarling, and the firing range.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe MollyBloom.

Good topic to think up though.
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