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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| sojusucks wrote: |
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Sigh, why does every article written by an English teacher come off sounding as if it's written by a frustrated second-rate academic?
Ooooh he said 'reifies'. |
The answer to the first part is probably because these people are writing out of frustration; frustration from constant racism or sexism (if you are a woman then you know what I am talking about).
As for being a second-rate academic, that is difficult to quantify and sounds like a response from a person frustrated with all the articles exposing racism in South Korea. |
Ahh, so I cannot possibly think it's badly written, I must be....a racist! I can't believe you pulled that card out of the bag, you imbecile. Perhaps you too think we live under a regime akin to Nazi Germany?
Do you have any more ad hominem muck to throw at me? Pathetic.
Yes, Korea can be a racist place. The fact remains that the article is still terribly written.
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Sigh, why does every article written by an English teacher come off sounding as if it's written by a frustrated second-rate academic?
Ooooh he said 'reifies'. |
The answer to the first part is probably because these people are writing out of frustration; frustration from constant racism or sexism (if you are a woman then you know what I am talking about).
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I can't speak authoritatively for hugekebab, but I suspect what he meant by "frustrated" was the frustration of someone who thinks he could be doing more with his education, but is stuck giving English lessons to low-level learners. So there can be a tendency(which I've experienced myself) to try to drag inappropriately complex phrases and concepts into what should be a simple language lesson.
As I say, though, the article didn't seem that out of place in a Korean paper. The columnists here have a tendency to just sort of pontificate on basic ideas, as if they're expecting everyone to nod in assent to what they're saying, simply because they write long sentences and throw in a few fifty-dollar words and mined quotations. This recent offering from the JoongAng Daily is typical...
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The Samsung Group has long been our country�s flagship. The corporate name has long been our pride and comfort even in the toughest times.
December 18, 2009
A society�s wealth lies in its human resources. Greatly talented people would naturally add to the riches. Because of their rarity, great leaders engage such people regardless of their background.
Emperor Taizhong of the Tang Dynasty was an exemplary leader who knew the value of talent. Few original followers were among those who filled his cabinet.
Most of his cabinet members came from his rival�s camp. His eye to ascertain their talent and his courage to embrace their past made Taizhong build one of the golden ages of China�s history ?? the �Reign of Zhen Guan.�
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Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see how xenophobia is relevant here. English teachers aren't a race so how can AES be xenophobic? . |
Go find a dictionary. Look up the definition of "racism" Then look up the definition of "xenophobia". Because you seem to be confusing the two. |
Well Myers himself writes in his first paragraph that in his opinion Korean so called xenophobia is related to notions of "racist purity":
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| Xenophobia, like other irrational fears, underpins unproductive and often dangerous ideology. It seamlessly reifies notions of ethnic and racial purity... |
all that I'm saying is that wanting more regulations on foreign teachers does not mean AES members are racists or xenophobes. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
| I don't see how xenophobia is relevant here. English teachers aren't a race so how can AES be xenophobic? . |
Go find a dictionary. Look up the definition of "racism" Then look up the definition of "xenophobia". Because you seem to be confusing the two. |
Well Myers himself writes in his first paragraph that in his opinion Korean so called xenophobia is related to notions of "racist purity":
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| Xenophobia, like other irrational fears, underpins unproductive and often dangerous ideology. It seamlessly reifies notions of ethnic and racial purity... |
all that I'm saying is that wanting more regulations on foreign teachers does not mean AES members are racists or xenophobes. |
No, but wanting more regulations simply because we are not Korean does. If you are going to protest about child safety then the Korean teachers should be regulated as well. But you'll note that AES gives Korean teachers a pass, even though there's more cases of Korean teachers abusing their charges than there are of Westerners. |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Capt. Pea...erh, uh, the Conserv, uh,..., the UM is sticking up for logic & decency??!! |
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oskinny1
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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all that I'm saying is that wanting more regulations on foreign teachers does not mean AES members are racists or xenophobes. |
No, but wanting more regulations simply because we are not Korean does. If you are going to protest about child safety then the Korean teachers should be regulated as well. But you'll note that AES gives Korean teachers a pass, even though there's more cases of Korean teachers abusing their charges than there are of Westerners. |
AWWWWWWWWE SNAP! |
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komerican
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| I don't see how xenophobia is relevant here. English teachers aren't a race so how can AES be xenophobic? . |
Go find a dictionary. Look up the definition of "racism" Then look up the definition of "xenophobia". Because you seem to be confusing the two. |
Well Myers himself writes in his first paragraph that in his opinion Korean so called xenophobia is related to notions of "racist purity":
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| Xenophobia, like other irrational fears, underpins unproductive and often dangerous ideology. It seamlessly reifies notions of ethnic and racial purity... |
all that I'm saying is that wanting more regulations on foreign teachers does not mean AES members are racists or xenophobes. |
No, but wanting more regulations simply because we are not Korean does. If you are going to protest about child safety then the Korean teachers should be regulated as well. But you'll note that AES gives Korean teachers a pass, even though there's more cases of Korean teachers abusing their charges than there are of Westerners. |
TUM, the laws governing foreigners and Koreans are carried out by different governmental agencies. Koreans look to the Immigration department to regulate foreign workers. So of course Korean citizens will be treated differently. For example, in the States out-of-state residents have to pay far more for in-state tuition and of course foreigners have to pay much more. This is just normal practice and has nothing to do with xenophobia.
I simply do not see where Korea has implemented specific laws differently from other countries when it comes to English teachers. If someone could point out these laws that unfairly target Caucasians or foreigners I'd like to see them. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| Capt. Pea...erh, uh, the Conserv, uh,..., the UM is sticking up for logic & decency??!! |
Yes, Wish...err Pat... I mean Mosley, but there is no need to act surprised. That is my standard MO...as in when people issue blanket condemnations of the entire country and then I come in with that pesky logic/decency thing. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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I understand that foreigners and Koreans are dealt with by different governmental agencies.
However the problem is that AES is NOT a governmental agency yet got invited to one policy meeting.
Again I have always stated that migrant workers and citizens have different working conditions and nothing wrong with that in general. But this is not about EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES as such, this is about child safety. Surely both migrant workers and citizens should be vetted under the same circumstances in that regard?
Drug tests and the CBC. Yes Korean teachers have to submit a CBC...but ONLY ONCE. E-2's have to submit one every time we go to a new school. And substitute Korean teachers do not have to submit one at all. |
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detourne_me
Joined: 26 May 2006
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Hyeon Een wrote:
The writer got fired from a place I worked at once for being a "bad teacher" haha. He used to talk to low level students in the same way the article is written. He's a pretty clueless dude when it comes to toning it down for a low level audience.
haha that's hilarious - I worked with this guy as well - he almost got fired a few times from the uni where I worked with him too, then tried to sign on for another year, but the school, students and other teachers wouldn't have anything to do with him after all of the garbage he pulled on everybody.
Anyways, I don't want to go on about what a ****bag this guy is, but... |
yeah, I've met him a few times too.... |
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komerican
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I understand that foreigners and Koreans are dealt with by different governmental agencies.
However the problem is that AES is NOT a governmental agency yet got invited to one policy meeting.
Again I have always stated that migrant workers and citizens have different working conditions and nothing wrong with that in general. But this is not about EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES as such, this is about child safety. Surely both migrant workers and citizens should be vetted under the same circumstances in that regard?
Drug tests and the CBC. Yes Korean teachers have to submit a CBC...but ONLY ONCE. E-2's have to submit one every time we go to a new school. And substitute Korean teachers do not have to submit one at all. |
I agree with you that E-2s should also only have to submit it once. Keep in mind though that in the US many employers will require a background check, especially if you are in education, financial or legal services. Even many retail stores will do their own automatic background checks. So if you changed employers in the US you would go through these checks multiple times.
Interestingly, Britain is now considering requiring "criminal background checks for parents before they could begin homeschooling their own children.� 
http://www.infowars.com/britain-wants-criminal-background-checks-for-homeschoolers/ |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyways, I don't want to go on about what a ****bag this guy is, but... |
please do. |
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beercanman
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"I don't see how xenophobia is relevant here. English teachers aren't a race so how can AES be xenophobic?"
Reading this just made me stupider. |
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hagwonnewbie
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Deauwand is a flaming, fat, black guy who lives in Korea and teaches English.
That is to say he is an openly gay overweight African American male in the same predicament as the rest of us.
While I can't agree with everything he writes, I certainly respect his unique perspective. |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
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Wow,
Sounds like we can do a Dave's "Straight Eye for the Queer Guy" makeover.
Writing style, far to fancy. Understand your audience. In this case English teachers, who might fancy themselves writing the next great American novel. But, lets be real, that ain't gonna happen.
Picture, see above. Good picture if gangsta is your target audience. Although it does lend itself to some sort of dissonance. Sounds educated, looks scary.
Name (what is with Deauwand?). I guess if your name is highfalutin and fancy, why not write the same way. Just saying.
Actually, Good on him for making the effort. More than most of us do. |
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