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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Gaza: Israel's Organ Farm |
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A bullet hole through the heart does not seem to be the actions of those who shoot people for their vital organs. Just saying. |
Then you are assuming the claims are that the IDF were deliberately killing Palestinians for the express purpose of taking organs? That would be even more horrible than what I thought we were speculating about: i.e. taking organs from the dead without family consent.
Taking his organs for a live transplant would have proved tricky anyway - they start to die right away, so unless the IDF had an operating theatre in the helicopter they took him in, I seriously doubt that was what happened in his instance. They would have needed a special freezer compartment, and they would have had to already have matched him with a recipient. But taking his organs for medical students to learn from, or for scientific studies would be a different matter. Perhaps they even took him for a practise autopsy. Who knows? But the families have lived with the distress of seeing the autopsied bodies, and not knowing why, for many years. That's why an investigation should be done.
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| As for the investigation, nor do I. But it should be conducted by an impartial group. The highly biased Goldberg report makes that absolutely clear as The Economist pointed out. |
Indeed. It certainly should not be the IDF who investigates itself, as often is the case unfortunately. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Gaza: Israel's Organ Farm |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
A bullet hole through the heart does not seem to be the actions of those who shoot people for their vital organs. Just saying. |
Then you are assuming the claims are that the IDF were deliberately killing Palestinians for the express purpose of taking organs?
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That's what it seems to be saying. Scroll down to the part of the article under Palestinian Disappearances Increase and read that part again keeping my comment in mind. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Yep, that seems to be the whole basis of the argument.
The Israelis attacked Gaza simply to collect body parts.
Pretty sick argument I would think. but hey, it worked before, lets hate all Israelis/Jews.
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Indeed. It certainly should not be the IDF who investigates itself, as often is the case unfortunately.
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Fine then lets ask a completely neutral country to do it. If they find Israel innocent, then everyone has too'. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Fine then lets ask a completely neutral country to do it. If they find Israel innocent, then everyone has too'. |
And now it's time to play NAME THAT NEUTRAL COUNTRY!!!    |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Fine then lets ask a completely neutral country to do it. If they find Israel innocent, then everyone has too'. |
And now it's time to play NAME THAT NEUTRAL COUNTRY!!! |
The Principality of Sealand? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Told ya so!
Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent
Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families � a practice it said ended in the 1990s � it emerged at the weekend.
The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs � a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".
The revelation, in a television documentary, is likely to generate anger in the Arab and Muslim world and reinforce sinister stereotypes of Israel and its attitude to Palestinians. Iran's state-run Press TV tonight reported the story, illustrated with photographs of dead or badly injured Palestinians.
Ahmed Tibi, an Israeli Arab MP, said the report incriminated the Israeli army.
The story emerged in an interview with Dr Yehuda Hiss, former head of the Abu Kabir forensic institute near Tel Aviv. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic who released it because of the row between Israel and Sweden over a report in the Stockholm newspaper Aftonbladet.
Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.
The Israeli military confirmed to the programme that the practice took place, but added: "This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer."
more at link
[i]So I guess it's like we should say, "Nice you've stopped beating your wife!"[/i] |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Hey, I came here to post that.
��If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him?
"The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value,� he explained. �There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.�
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh in �Jewish Week,� the largest Jewish publication in the United States, April 26, 1996. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Hey, I came here to post that.
��If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him?
"The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value,� he explained. �There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.�
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh in �Jewish Week,� the largest Jewish publication in the United States, April 26, 1996. |
Well that's a relief to know. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Fox wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
Hey, I came here to post that.
��If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him?
"The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value,� he explained. �There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.�
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh in �Jewish Week,� the largest Jewish publication in the United States, April 26, 1996. |
Well that's a relief to know. |
Lucky. |
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