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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Dope gets you through time of no money better than money gets you through times of no dope; what earthly good is a pro-dope poll when I live in an entirely different country? This is just sadistic torture. |
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daveweave2
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: The Furry Freak Brothers |
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[quote="Ya-ta Boy"]Dope gets you through time of no money better than money gets you through times of no dope; what earthly good is a pro-dope poll when I live in an entirely different country? This is just sadistic torture.[/quote]
I didn't think anybody else was old enough to remember them, great stuff. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Dope gets you through time of no money better than money gets you through times of no dope; what earthly good is a pro-dope poll when I live in an entirely different country? This is just sadistic torture. |
Hopefully, once a more liberal policy and attitude are adopted, they will spread to other countries like so much other Americana. |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| That's interesting, but it simply doesn't matter what the American people want. |
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manlyboy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| A lot of jobs would be lost by unclogging the system. The criminal justice plantation is a giant that won't give up its food supply without a fight. |
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Tiger Beer
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It'll never happen though.
Sure, fiscally it would free up a TON of money given to housing criminals and going through the judicial 'system'.
It would ALSO bring about a brand new industry that the government could tax the hell out of, and make a bundle.
But, unfortunately there is also a segment of the U.S. that believes legalizing it would make make it normal and their kids might try it, etc. Just the thought of those parents thinking their kids 'might' try it, is enough to scare off the possibility of it ever becoming legalized.
That being said...back in my home state of Michigan...there are some growing schools and production schools...and some laws encouraging producing it...as it's legal for glaucoma patients...so there are a few loopholes around the current criminalization laws. |
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mises
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Right, it won't happen. This should be a lesson to all. When the state whips the population into a hysteria about a fictitious problem the people take the ball and run with it. Even though a slight majority might support it, a very simple campaign reminding them of why it is evil will be enough to turn them against the idea.
Also, when the state creates an industry that industry then has a seat at the governing table. Prison guards, prison firms, police unions and phama/booze/tobacco firms all stand to lose.
A nightwatchman state is the only sensible option. There are far too many problems with big government. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Also, when the state creates an industry that industry then has a seat at the governing table. Prison guards, prison firms, police unions and phama/booze/tobacco firms all stand to lose.
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Pretty much, as most people "on the street" couldn't seem to care less.
(edited to add "-n't" to "could") 
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| But, unfortunately there is also a segment of the U.S. that believes legalizing it would make make it normal and their kids might try it, etc. Just the thought of those parents thinking their kids 'might' try it, is enough to scare off the possibility of it ever becoming legalized. |
The stupid thing is these people's kids probably all ready tried it, and quite possibly all ready regularly indulge in it. They simply do it in a more hazardous environment, and at higher cost.
Most governmental failures ultimately come down to failures in the general voting population. This is no exception. If our citizens are going to be paranoid, short-sighted fools, then how can we expect a government elected by them to perform well?
Mises talks of a nightwatchman style state, but that's impossible with the culture in question. There's a reason our governments are in the shape they are in, and it's not something that can be legislated away. A barebones government would never last long before people started demanding more from it, and it won't be long after that before the corruption sinks in all over again. |
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jmuns
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| decriminalization is close enough. |
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Faunaki
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I used to be a pot head and was all for it's legalization now that I'm not a pot head and a mom I feel much more conservative about the whole thing.
Whenever I call my pot head friends back home they can't even keep up with the conversation, they are always forgetting what I am saying. They are really stupid actually - mainly because they've been smoking for far toolong. Do I want that for my kids? Nah. |
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Fox
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| Faunaki wrote: |
I used to be a pot head and was all for it's legalization now that I'm not a pot head and a mom I feel much more conservative about the whole thing.
Whenever I call my pot head friends back home they can't even keep up with the conversation, they are always forgetting what I am saying. They are really stupid actually - mainly because they've been smoking for far toolong. Do I want that for my kids? Nah. |
Marijuana being legalized and your children not smoking marijuana are not mutually exclusive things; they can be the case simultaneously. I wouldn't want my child being a habitual marijuana user. I also wouldn't want my child to be an alcoholic, or to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day, or to be morbidly obese. That doesn't mean alcoholc, cigarettes, and over-eating should be illegal. |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Faunaki wrote: |
I used to be a pot head and was all for it's legalization now that I'm not a pot head and a mom I feel much more conservative about the whole thing.
Whenever I call my pot head friends back home they can't even keep up with the conversation, they are always forgetting what I am saying. They are really stupid actually - mainly because they've been smoking for far toolong. Do I want that for my kids? Nah. |
so because it is legal your kids will turn into burnouts? it doesnt make sense to assume that once it becomes legal everyone will turn into a huge pot head and be a deadbeat. alcohol is legal and not everyone is an alcoholic. cigarettes are legal and not everyone smokes them. if you dont want your kids to smoke it is one thing, to think it should remain illegal so they dont is another. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Faunaki wrote: |
I used to be a pot head and was all for it's legalization now that I'm not a pot head and a mom I feel much more conservative about the whole thing.
Whenever I call my pot head friends back home they can't even keep up with the conversation, they are always forgetting what I am saying. They are really stupid actually - mainly because they've been smoking for far toolong. Do I want that for my kids? Nah. |
Where does what you want for your kids stop? Does it stop at what people may want for themselves only? How about what your kids may want for themselves once they reach adulthood?
And other than the heavy maternalism/paternalism in your post, you presume that the current order can protect your kids, whereas it clearly hasn't protected your 'pot head' friends. |
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