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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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 Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:34 am Post subject: China executes British citizen |
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China just executed a British Citizen for drug smuggling. This is probably after recieving very little of the things that civilized countries give defendants.
Trial Lawyers that really defend you.
Juries that really consider all of the evidence
Judges that haven't all ready decided guilt or innocence.
Psyciatric evaluations
Inadequate Interpretation in court.
He only was given a half hour trial. The countries government is a sham. I don't think the civilized world should have any tolerance for it. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think the civilized world should have any tolerance for it. |
Realistically speaking, what would you have the civilized world do about it? Especially in light of the fact this was a British citizen from the country that defeated China in those two Opium Wars? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:20 am Post subject: Re: China executes British citizen |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think the civilized world should have any tolerance for it. |
I agree, there should be zero tolerance for the death penalty anywhere in the world. I'll support my homeland stepping up to challenge it as soon as we stop putting our own people to death. Until then, it would be hypocritical.
As far as his trial only lasting a half hour, it's probably because he was clearly guilty and the Chinese criminal justice system doesn't like wasting time. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but even if his trial had lasted weeks, the result probably would have been the same, unless you're arguing he was really innocent and would have required weeks to prove it. |
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dragon777
Joined: 06 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| He did not deserve to be executed for this crime. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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One smuggles. One pays the price. The price, in this case, was death.
Sure he deserved it. He did something that was illegal in just about every Sovereign Nation upon this green Earth. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| The appeals to his mental deficiency and his links to the UK are very tenuous indeed. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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By definition that's desperate.
He deserved what he got.
If I did the same ,I'd expect the same. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| wesharris wrote: |
One smuggles. One pays the price. The price, in this case, was death.
Sure he deserved it. He did something that was illegal in just about every Sovereign Nation upon this green Earth. |
But not the death penalty.
Apparently you've never heard of the punishment fitting the crime. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| wesharris wrote: |
One smuggles. One pays the price. The price, in this case, was death.
Sure he deserved it. He did something that was illegal in just about every Sovereign Nation upon this green Earth. |
But not the death penalty.
Apparently you've never heard of the punishment fitting the crime. |
The punishment DID fit the crime. Drug addiction creates crime, crime creates death. Indirectly he created death for others. So he was afflicted with the same status for those whom he was the progenitor . FYI, if the death penalty was the sentence for drug smuggling with many cases, the logistics of smuggling would GREATLY increase, resulting in a much easier to contain phenomenon.
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| wesharris wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| wesharris wrote: |
One smuggles. One pays the price. The price, in this case, was death.
Sure he deserved it. He did something that was illegal in just about every Sovereign Nation upon this green Earth. |
But not the death penalty.
Apparently you've never heard of the punishment fitting the crime. |
The punishment DID fit the crime. Drug addiction creates crime, crime creates death. Indirectly he created death for others. So he was afflicted with the same status for those whom he was the progenitor . FYI, if the death penalty was the sentence for drug smuggling with many cases, the logistics of smuggling would GREATLY increase, resulting in a much easier to contain phenomenon.
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Yeah, but according to you the addicts are also indirectly responsible. (addiction/addicts. then crime, then death).
Should addicts also be killed?
(I'm seriously asking as I have a hard time understanding those who advocate wars on drugs and thing like that.) |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| wesharris wrote: |
| The punishment DID fit the crime. Drug addiction creates crime, crime creates death. Indirectly he created death for others. |
Building cars creates drivers, drivers create car accidents, car accidents create death. By your logic, car manufacturers should be put to death.
This man didn't deserve to be killed. No one deserves to be killed. The death penalty is totally unreasonable; the purpose of a criminal justice system should be keeping citizens safe, not taking revenge against criminals. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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No, no.
The death penalty is perfectly reasonable.
It's simply not applied effectively and quickly enough.
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: This is From DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP |
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The former poster known as DWEJIMORIGUKBAP asked me to post this reply on his behalf. He was banned for some reason or other many weeks ago.
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Have any of you ever actually took the time to imagine in detail what it would feel like to be strapped to a hospital bed in a sterile room all alone and apart from all those you love in this world and to then be snuffed out?
This is barbaric and sick!
At the very least, countries that do have the death penalty should get children at a very young age to do the imaginative exercise above and make them realise that just how serious it is and thus prepare any potential criminals to never get caught in the heat of the moment or in criminal circumstances without having thought very hard and seriously about it.
In my opinion, it is more humane to sentence murderers, etc., to Life AND I MEAN LIFE in prison. And the government should make it clear to the citizenry that LIFE for grave offences MEANS LIFE: You took a life and now we're taking your freedom for the rest of your's. Perhaps with reprieve in case of terminal illness or when they're at an age when they're not a threat to anyone.
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Nah. Deal drugs, smuggle drugs, get death.
Do drugs, get rehabilitation.
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:55 am Post subject: Re: This is From DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP |
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| dirving wrote: |
| The former poster known as DWEJIMORIGUKBAP asked me to post this reply on his behalf. He was banned for some reason or other many weeks ago. |
Why would anyonecare what that poster has to say?
He was banned - good. He's gone - that's it. |
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