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Gepik renewal form: "I promise I have never used drugs.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Gepik renewal form: "I promise I have never used drugs. Reply with quote

Has anyone else noticed this needlessly insulting little piece of criminal suspicion on the Gepik renewal form?

Below all the stuff about applying to renew, you are called upon to sign a statement, "I certify that I have never been arrested or charged with drug-related offences in any country".

Ridiculous. Especially when you consider that to get your visa in the first instance you had to not only provide an exhaustive blood test but also a full CRC.!
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hajima 99



Joined: 13 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your thread title is misleading and should probably be changed since you presented it as a quotation. The actual excerpt from the GEPIK contract that you included in your post, and the quote used in the title of the thread do not mean the same thing at all.
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Olivencia



Joined: 08 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The attempts at obtaining 100% purity from the NET's continues.....
Hey Dave Sperling I want to change my username to Mr. Ivory Soap..on second thought that soap is advertised as 99.44% pure. Nope wouldn't make the cut to teach in Korea. That remaining .66% percent would sink me.
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kimchi girl



Joined: 17 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no.

You've got it all wrong. The next questions/obstacles to jump over will be:

1. Are you now, or have you even been, a member of the communist party?

2. Do you solemnly swear that you have no intention of dating, marrying or otherwise associating with Korean women?
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing that gets me is that it is entirely uneccessary. We've already provided such verification at the visa stage before we even entered the country.

Just seems like someone at the education board stuck it on as a final dig before you sign.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Gepik renewal form: "I promise I have never used dr Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Has anyone else noticed this needlessly insulting little piece of criminal suspicion on the Gepik renewal form?

Below all the stuff about applying to renew, you are called upon to sign a statement, "I certify that I have never been arrested or charged with drug-related offences in any country".

Ridiculous. Especially when you consider that to get your visa in the first instance you had to not only provide an exhaustive blood test but also a full CRC.!


This question is in order to easily fire you when you do get caught.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When non-US citizens fly into America they always get asked to fill out a little immigration card (even if you are just doing a 1 hour stop-over). One of the questions on it ask you to check the YES or NO box to indicate whether you are a member of a terrorist organisation. And that was in use even before 9/11. (Obviously that's not a great tactic for finding the terrorists.)

They do it just to cover their butts. They HAVE TO ask you. And it's the same thing if they are asking you if you were convicted of doing drugs (or any other crimes). Notice that they didn't ask if you DID drugs, but just whether you were convicted of it. It's not meant to be an insult. It's not personal. Get over it.
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proustme



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see anything wrong with the question.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte wrote:
When non-US citizens fly into America they always get asked to fill out a little immigration card (even if you are just doing a 1 hour stop-over). One of the questions on it ask you to check the YES or NO box to indicate whether you are a member of a terrorist organisation. And that was in use even before 9/11. (Obviously that's not a great tactic for finding the terrorists.)

They do it just to cover their butts. They HAVE TO ask you. And it's the same thing if they are asking you if you were convicted of doing drugs (or any other crimes). Notice that they didn't ask if you DID drugs, but just whether you were convicted of it. It's not meant to be an insult. It's not personal. Get over it.


Why do it twice though, when teachers have already provided absolute verification of this with their CRC and blood test?
To me its just symptomatic of an insatiable suspicion toward foreigners. Even with all the proof they need, they still want to keep some sort of stigma in place.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Troglodyte wrote:
When non-US citizens fly into America they always get asked to fill out a little immigration card (even if you are just doing a 1 hour stop-over). One of the questions on it ask you to check the YES or NO box to indicate whether you are a member of a terrorist organisation. And that was in use even before 9/11. (Obviously that's not a great tactic for finding the terrorists.)

They do it just to cover their butts. They HAVE TO ask you. And it's the same thing if they are asking you if you were convicted of doing drugs (or any other crimes). Notice that they didn't ask if you DID drugs, but just whether you were convicted of it. It's not meant to be an insult. It's not personal. Get over it.


Why do it twice though, when teachers have already provided absolute verification of this with their CRC and blood test?
To me its just symptomatic of an insatiable suspicion toward foreigners. Even with all the proof they need, they still want to keep some sort of stigma in place.


because they are different questions

CRC have you been convicted of any charges in your country (for americans in your state)

I certify that I have never been arrested or charged with drug-related offences in any country

two different (but similar) things.

Not excusing it just pointing out the obvious
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jmuns



Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont see the big deal, its just a question. i mean we are teachers, so why not want to find out if we have been convicted on a drug charge. if you had been convicted would you mark yes? of course not. so the question obviously holds no real merit. and if they do manage to catch someone, and i bet at least one idiot will check yes, then they have proven it worth their time. just check no, sign it, and move on.
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now that they have verified that all teachers have no criminal record, don't have AIDS, and don't do drugs (By proof of an exhaustive visa process), can we all be fully accepted into Korean society as respected upstanding, sentient beings?

Is Naver going to spread the word? "All foreigners are fine now".
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proustme



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're really needy.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:

because they are different questions

CRC have you been convicted of any charges in your country (for americans in your state)

I certify that I have never been arrested or charged with drug-related offences in any country

two different (but similar) things.


For example....

"I've said I've never broken the drug laws of my country, and that is the absolute truth."

Bill Clinton didn't lie. And a criminal background check would show that he handn't be convicted of doing drugs. But he didn't say that he DIDN'T do drugs. It wasn't against any American law to do drugs in Britain.
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vaticanhotline



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nautilus, you've been on this board a long time. Why are you getting the rag over something this inconsequential? Has your nerve with Korea finally snapped and you're thrashing around at the first thing you can think of?
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