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[Ya-ta Boy]

Here's an interesting allegation:

"The truth is this: China wrecked the talks, intentionally humiliated Barack Obama, and insisted on an awful "deal" so western leaders would walk away carrying the blame. How do I know this? Because I was in the room and saw it happen.

"China's strategy was simple: block the open negotiations for two weeks, and then ensure that the closed-door deal made it look as if the west had failed the world's poor once again...

"To those who would blame Obama and rich countries in general, know this: it was China's representative who insisted that industrialised country targets, previously agreed as an 80% cut by 2050, be taken out of the deal. "Why can't we even mention our own targets?" demanded a furious Angela Merkel. Australia's prime minister, Kevin Rudd, was annoyed enough to bang his microphone. Brazil's representative too pointed out the illogicality of China's position. Why should rich countries not announce even this unilateral cut? The Chinese delegate said no, and I watched, aghast, as Merkel threw up her hands in despair and conceded the point. Now we know why � because China bet, correctly, that Obama would get the blame for the Copenhagen accord's lack of ambition."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas

That's the claim.

[Big_Bird]

Good thread topic, Ya-ta. I wonder why no-one here has been discussing this.

China behaved disgracefully - they are an absolute menace to us all (and themselves it seems). I've long wondered how they would behave once they reached superpower status, and perhaps this is a taste of things to come. *shudders* I must say I've never really looked forward to their international rise - especially given how they treat their own citizens.

China tried to hold an exclusive meeting with India and South Africa (and I think Brazil if my memory serves me) to seal a deal - and Obama had to force his way in with his security guys so that he could join in. WTF? And the Chinese were trying to keep out American and British TV crews while having Chinese crews there. What was that about?

It was all about Wen Jinbao flipping the bird to the rest of the world, especially the US. I hope he feels very satisfied with himself. What a selfish, egotistical, reckless and very dangerous pr***.

[Big_Bird]

[Junior]

Some little Asian men with outsized egos couldn't handle the idea of actually allowing in an international body to ensure they actually followed through with emissions cuts.

[Kuros]

My favorite China Hand weighs in on this: Copenhagen Miscalculation

[rocket_scientist]

If the anti's were so smart, why didn't they anticipate both auditing China and then auditing how the poor nations used the funds?

[Rusty Shackleford]

[Blockhead confidence]

[Mr. Pink]

The pollution in China is at times almost unbelievable. I've lived there now for 4 months and I've seen some pretty bad days. I don't even live in the areas where they dump toxic chemicals into the water and soil. I get coal burning in the air...sometimes it is a thick as the thickest fog you've ever seen in your life.

I really wish other countries would get on China's case and push them for reforms. China doesn't care about its people. Why should they when they have so many? If 10% were to die, they would still have more than any other country.

[Hope]

I can't imagine how one would even begin to clean up the mess in China.
Unbelievable photos...

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

[Panda]

Thanks for posting the link again, Hope.

I hope those photos also remind you how poor most Chinese people are.

If you led a life like these people are, you wouldn't really care how more CO2 emission will make the earth warmer.



One the other hand, Please everybody notice that the carbon emission of the US is 19t/person, the figure of China is 4.1t/person, which is lower than the average level of the world 4.3t/person

Maybe not every Chinese people deserves a car as American people do ( considering how much they get scolded in this thread), but at least, I think all people need to eat and make living...

[Kuros]

[Jeonmunka]

Remember that Britain and the US and Germany were allowed to industrialize - and suffered pollution in places equal to that of localized places in China - like that one in the photo near the bottom, the coal and metal smelter in Laisotang or somename - think about filthy Pittsburg 25-40 years ago, or the great coal fog of London in 1956.
China is only doing what indudtrialized nations already did. (Albeit on a larger and more rapid scale.) Now we are telling them they can't.
That's the problem. Our countries keep stuffing themselves up for the future.
It's happening again in Aus. Australia is stripping & depleting its resources right now. In 50 years time there will be stuff all metals left to draw on. Rudd is being facetious if he's banging on his mic about China. He should look in his own backyard. What will Australians tell their grandkids when they ask, what's left for us?

[Wishmaster]

The Chinese are bad for the world. Unlike the US, they won't even attempt to account for their actions. If you think the US does a terrible job as a superpower, wait until China comes along.

[donducky]