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scotty12347



Joined: 16 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine how the world would have turned out if religion wasn't invented.
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beck's



Joined: 02 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the past, and I am writing about Victorian times here, the intellectual class promoted western way of life. Rudyard Kipling and others wrote poems and songs glorifying the British Empire. On my side of the pond, the Statue of Liberty was built to glorify American values albeit a little earlier. Writers, poets etc were Western boosters.

Today, it is the opposite. Even though Western culture is, without an argument, the most successful, most creative, most generous, the most humanitarian and the wealthiest the planet has ever known, our intellectual class refuses to recognize this.

In schools kids are taught the mantra of "multiculturalism," which means that all cultures are acceptable except Western culture. If they are taught anything about it at all it is negative--the slave trade, imperialism, colonialism etc.

I want us to imagine for a second how quickly a group of hate-mongering Nazi skinheads would be rounded up for saying the things that are regularly preached by many Imams in London--antisemitism, gay bashing, the removal of women's rights etc. But, the authorities let this go in the mistaken belief that other cultures should be able to propagate their racist beliefs. They get a pass in the civilized behavior department.
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as we continue to send men dreaming about a paycheck and a metal star to kill people, they will continue to send men dreaming about 72 virgins to kill people. Neither we nor they have a shortage of Darwin Award aspirants, hence this War on Terror stretching seemingly into infinity.
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Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today's intellectual class, as a whole, is the same in spirit as it was at the time of the French Revolution: subversive and hostile to traditional European culture. Same rot, more advanced. Kipling is atypical.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
regarding the body scanners....
it's BS and an invasion of privacy!
most importantly its the beggining of the world of perpetual war, pervasive government surveillance, public mind control, and the voiding of citizens' rights.
1984!


Olivencia wrote:
A few paragraphs before I was thinking "1984" and then you ended with it.
Eastasia Eurasia Oceania?


This is for Big_Bird, who thinks I exaggerate when I say that many alleged "critical thinkers" take Orwell's novel, which critiqued centrally-planned command economies, especially J. Stalin's, literally, and as an illustration of life in the United States.

And this does not even get into professors in the social sciences, Big_Bird.

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Koveras, well said. Cheers.
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Gillian57



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Body scan me? No thanks. There is still a Constitution and I still have my 4th Amemdment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. They can body scan me only when they have shown me a search warrent with my name on it. Not before.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the body scanner is a great idea! It's not like someone is going to be jerking off over a resonant image scan. At worst a few jockish TSA guys will giggle over someone's flaccid parts. So what. Beats having someone find some sort of spiritual gratification from blowing your body apart.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gillian57 wrote:
Body scan me? No thanks. There is still a Constitution and I still have my 4th Amemdment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. They can body scan me only when they have shown me a search warrent with my name on it. Not before.


You're correct, you have the right against unreasonable search and seizure, and that right isn't being violated, because they're not forcing you to submit to search and seizure. They're asking you to voluntarily submit to a search, and if you refuse, they will refuse you entrance to the airplane. You can refuse the search, and as a result, your rights are intact. It just so happens that you don't have the right to get on that airplane, though, so don't be surprised when they turn you away.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Gillian57 wrote:
Body scan me? No thanks. There is still a Constitution and I still have my 4th Amemdment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. They can body scan me only when they have shown me a search warrent with my name on it. Not before.


You're correct, you have the right against unreasonable search and seizure, and that right isn't being violated, because they're not forcing you to submit to search and seizure. They're asking you to voluntarily submit to a search, and if you refuse, they will refuse you entrance to the airplane. You can refuse the search, and as a result, your rights are intact. It just so happens that you don't have the right to get on that airplane, though, so don't be surprised when they turn you away.


Also that is in america, what about all those countries without the 4th
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caniff



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
It's not like someone is going to be jerking off over a resonant image scan.


Been on this planet long?
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey I wonder if images of celebrity scans will be sold to paparazzi and make their way into HELLO magazine hahahaha

emmm I always wondered if Dolly Parton had implants or not.. wont be long now before we all know hahahaha (still that thrill is like 20 years old she is old enough to be my grandmother now ) hahahahaha

emm so these scanners will pick up silicone right??

so whats to stop a terrorist who is a trained surgen to have had Peck implants which were filled with a liquid to look like its silicone.. and then while airbourne removes the liquid with some syringe and use that to blow up the plane!??

once that happens or he gets caught and tells how he did it... all passengers who have had plastic surgery will not be allowed to fly?

guess that will pretty much shut down LAX hahahaha
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Rusty Shackleford



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole thing is retarded. Airplane hijackings are so rare that they basically never occur. You can fly the equivalent of to Neptune and back TWICE and you will only encounter one hijacking. That is a statistical non event, yet we are expected to bend over and take it. What a sad joke.

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/30/odds-of-being-a-terr.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Shackleford wrote:
This whole thing is retarded. Airplane hijackings are so rare that they basically never occur. You can fly the equivalent of to Neptune and back TWICE and you will only encounter one hijacking. That is a statistical non event, yet we are expected to bend over and take it. What a sad joke.

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/30/odds-of-being-a-terr.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29


I agree that increasing security is a silly over-reaction. Attempts to blow up airplanes, much like children being molested or women being raped, just seems to stir up something emotional in people. Wonder what it is that makes people feel that way about it, because I've always thought about it just like Rusty describes.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember flying before there were any security measures. No metal detectors, no baggage checks. Check in & board. It didnt matter if the name on the ticket didnt match yours & you didnt even need any ID for domestic flights. Smoking or non?

There wasnt a dress code per se but people tended to wear their "sunday best." I remember childhood family outings where we'd drive to the airport just to watch planes come & go, woohoo big event! Innocent times.

It was Cubans put skyjacking on the map (late 60s) & started us down this road (guess who they were angry at). Ramped-up but simple security cut down on incidents but I guess the vulnerability was forever exposed to other haters. So whats to be done?

Beats me. I'm a fearless flyer based on the getting struck by lightning school of stats & I understand that some measures need to exist to deter wackjobs. But much of what "security" puts us through now at airports is clearly more about asserting "authority" than providing safety.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
I think the body scanner is a great idea! It's not like someone is going to be jerking off over a resonant image scan. At worst a few jockish TSA guys will giggle over someone's flaccid parts.

People employ an extremely wide range of fantasies while masturbating, and often they are of some paraphilic type that most of us would not find exciting, e.g. shoes, rubber, or in my own particular case, doing it while swinging from a chandelier Laughing Exclamation

I know there are people who are bothered by the idea that some far-off stranger is privately masturbating to something they find offensive, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why. Who friggin' cares?
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