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ytuque
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One of the few things that I dislike more than the death penalty is how mentally ill people are just allowed to wander the streets of so many wealthy nations.
Perhaps, his life could have been saved if he received support from Pakistan and the Pakistani community in England. I saw a photo of a demonstration outside the Chinese embassy in London. They could only muster 25 people of which a number were clearly not Pakistani.
The manner in which the Chinese ignored appeals from the British government is an indicator of things to come. |
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: This is From DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| The former poster known as DWEJIMORIGUKBAP asked me to post this reply on his behalf. He was banned for some reason or other many weeks ago. |
Why would anyonecare what that poster has to say?
He was banned - good. He's gone - that's it. |
He has a good point. That should be enough for you to care about his position on the issue at hand. |
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: This is From DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| dirving wrote: |
| The former poster known as DWEJIMORIGUKBAP asked me to post this reply on his behalf. He was banned for some reason or other many weeks ago. |
Why would anyonecare what that poster has to say?
He was banned - good. He's gone - that's it. |
Exactly! He got the forum equivalent to the death penalty and therefore his "posthumous" writings mean nothing to us! |
Are you takin' the piss here? |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Too many bleeding liberals.
I admire the Chinese (and other nations who have a death penalty for drug smuggling) for being tough on drug dealers.
I know most of the people on this site don't really pay much tax or have a concept of what a tax high state is like to live in. If you did, your liberal hearts wouldn't bleed so much when you realize that it costs an awful lot to incarcerate someone. It costs an awful lot to take that person to trial and give them a ton of appeals.
The cost to the general public due to drugs is also high. You need more police, more border guards, more jails, more prisons, more hospitals, more doctors, etc.
If the liberal West would take the same tough stance that some Asian countries do on the importation of illegal narcotics, there would be billions saved that could be put into things like education or health care, or wait, perhaps even the taxpayer themselves could get a break.
I am a firm believer in the death penalty, and I like the Chinese/Russian style of justice better than that in the West. The person is going to die, why do we need to be "humane" in order to kill them. Blind fold them and shoot them in the head. You pay for a bullet and someone to clean up the mess. It is a hell of a lot cheaper than using chemicals and letting someone sit on death row for months or years until the can be put to death. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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The cost to the general public due to drugs is also high. You need more police, more border guards, more jails, more prisons, more hospitals, more doctors, etc.
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So...legalize them and tax them. |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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To give some idea of his mental balance, apparently he'd gone to China to get famous and bring peace to the world with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFv0eS5p9hs
Yikes. Apparently he was set up by traffickers. I haven't read up that much on this case, so I'm not sure of the legitimacy of that, but...yikes. |
Thats so sad.
I think a lot of posters on here are just assuming he was your normal everyday guy, when the reality is far from that. |
Yes, it is very sad. Akmal Shaikh suffered from Bipolar Disorder, including the grandiose delusion that the song he wrote would bring world peace. He likely was just a garden variety patient who would have benefited from routine psychiatric medication and care.
To execute rather than treat a mental patient starkly illustrates the depravity of the Chinese system. |
So far he had never been diagnosed bipolar or any other kinds of mental disease...we need proofs, no matter how much his family and his British lawyer made us believe he was mad...
He was arrested in 2007 and there were two years between that and his death penalty execution. He didn't collect enough ( actually nothing ) from his home country to prove he was ill.
Claiming to be in a mental condition usually is the last straw for those who committed grave crimes, however the line between being guilty and being ill is so vague......
I would say Saddam Hussein had some serious mental illness which made him crazy, possessive and violent, he didn't deserve that death. I also could imagine the lawyer would claim the 23yo Nigerian terrorist sufferring from severe mental disease if he successfully bombed out that plane and killed 300 people but survived himself...
Stop applying double standard... |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: This is From DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP |
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| dirving wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| dirving wrote: |
| The former poster known as DWEJIMORIGUKBAP asked me to post this reply on his behalf. He was banned for some reason or other many weeks ago. |
Why would anyonecare what that poster has to say?
He was banned - good. He's gone - that's it. |
Exactly! He got the forum equivalent to the death penalty and therefore his "posthumous" writings mean nothing to us! |
Are you takin' the piss here? |
No, he isn't.
(PM sent) |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| I see this as a question of human rights. Foreigners and the mentally ill have just as much right to be executed in China as any Chinese. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Panda wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| scotty12347 wrote: |
| banjois wrote: |
To give some idea of his mental balance, apparently he'd gone to China to get famous and bring peace to the world with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFv0eS5p9hs
Yikes. Apparently he was set up by traffickers. I haven't read up that much on this case, so I'm not sure of the legitimacy of that, but...yikes. |
Thats so sad.
I think a lot of posters on here are just assuming he was your normal everyday guy, when the reality is far from that. |
Yes, it is very sad. Akmal Shaikh suffered from Bipolar Disorder, including the grandiose delusion that the song he wrote would bring world peace. He likely was just a garden variety patient who would have benefited from routine psychiatric medication and care.
To execute rather than treat a mental patient starkly illustrates the depravity of the Chinese system. |
So far he had never been diagnosed bipolar or any other kinds of mental disease...we need proofs, no matter how much his family and his British lawyer made us believe he was mad...
He was arrested in 2007 and there were two years between that and his death penalty execution. He didn't collect enough ( actually nothing ) from his home country to prove he was ill.
Claiming to be in a mental condition usually is the last straw for those who committed grave crimes, however the line between being guilty and being ill is so vague......
I would say Saddam Hussein had some serious mental illness which made him crazy, possessive and violent, he didn't deserve that death. I also could imagine the lawyer would claim the 23yo Nigerian terrorist sufferring from severe mental disease if he successfully bombed out that plane and killed 300 people but survived himself...
Stop applying double standard... |
You need more proofs [sic]? Let's see: his family said he was bipolar, he wrote a song about a rabbit which he took to China and which he thought would bring about world peace and rocket him to international stardom and allowed himself to be manipulated by drug smugglers who set him up. Yeah, nothing wrong with that guy... 
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so let's just kill him just in case. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ytuque wrote: |
One of the few things that I dislike more than the death penalty is how mentally ill people are just allowed to wander the streets of so many wealthy nations.
Perhaps, his life could have been saved if he received support from Pakistan and the Pakistani community in England. I saw a photo of a demonstration outside the Chinese embassy in London. They could only muster 25 people of which a number were clearly not Pakistani.
The manner in which the Chinese ignored appeals from the British government is an indicator of things to come. |
I am not sure how connected he was to the Pakistani community there. I believe he had a daughter with an Anglo-Saxon sounding name. He was probably a very liberal fellow who wasn't necessarily tied to his parents' culture. We don't know exactly. I feel for him if he was mentally ill and then executed. Even if he was guilty, I wouldn't support the execution. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Too many bleeding liberals.
I admire the Chinese (and other nations who have a death penalty for drug smuggling) for being tough on drug dealers.
I know most of the people on this site don't really pay much tax or have a concept of what a tax high state is like to live in. If you did, your liberal hearts wouldn't bleed so much when you realize that it costs an awful lot to incarcerate someone. It costs an awful lot to take that person to trial and give them a ton of appeals.
The cost to the general public due to drugs is also high. You need more police, more border guards, more jails, more prisons, more hospitals, more doctors, etc.
If the liberal West would take the same tough stance that some Asian countries do on the importation of illegal narcotics, there would be billions saved that could be put into things like education or health care, or wait, perhaps even the taxpayer themselves could get a break.
I am a firm believer in the death penalty, and I like the Chinese/Russian style of justice better than that in the West. The person is going to die, why do we need to be "humane" in order to kill them. Blind fold them and shoot them in the head. You pay for a bullet and someone to clean up the mess. It is a hell of a lot cheaper than using chemicals and letting someone sit on death row for months or years until the can be put to death. |
Not familiar with Portugal's total drug decriminalization policy? Pick a link and read about it:
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=portugal+drug+decriminalization&btnG=Google+Search
Long story short, they saved a lot of money and drug abuse rates fell. In response to Portugal's blatant success, the UN released a statement in support of drug decriminalization in general.
Similarly, JAMA did a study on an experimental project in Seatle where homeless alcoholics were provided housing without enforcing the usual requirement to quit drinking. Guess what? They saved more than $4 million a year in emergency social and health programs:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008957119_webalcoholics01m.html
All the evidence available suggests police states cost more and create more problems than a simple damage control approach would in attempting to control just about any social problem you can think of. Despite this, little will change because we have no shortage of vindictive Puritans who can't stomach the concept of letting people get away with having vices, even if punishing them means further agitating the problem and costing everyone else that much more. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
| All the evidence available suggests police states cost more and create more problems than a simple damage control approach would in attempting to control just about any social problem you can think of. Despite this, little will change because we have no shortage of vindictive Puritans who can't stomach the concept of letting people get away with having vices, even if punishing them means further agitating the problem and costing everyone else that much more. |
Well put. |
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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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Studies show that permanently breaking the nicotine habit is harder than breaking that of heroin.
That is, as a percentage (many more) addicts successfully quit heroin than do addicts quit nicotine.
I think nicotine pushers should be sent to China. |
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shinramyun
Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| This happened in CHINA. A nation that oppresses freedom giving a death penalty to a mental disorder patient isn't considered a news. |
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