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"It�s Always the End of the World as We Know It "

 
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: "It�s Always the End of the World as We Know It " Reply with quote

Interesting article in the NY times. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/opinion/01dutton.html
I couldn't help but think of some of the Doom and gloomers who post here . Of course this time its different. We really are doomed. (aren't we?)

"From today�s perspective, the Y2K fiasco seems to be less about technology than about a morbid fascination with end-of-the-world scenarios. This ought to strike us as strange. The cold war was fading in 1999, we were witnessing a worldwide growth in wealth and standards of living, and Islamic terrorism was not yet seen as a serious global threat. It should have been a year of golden weather, a time for the human race to relax and look toward a brighter, more peaceful future. Instead, with computers as a flimsy pretext, many seemed to take pleasure in frightening themselves to death over a coming calamity.

No doubt part of the blame must go to those consultants who took businesses and governments for an expensive ride in the lead-up to New Year�s Day. But doom-laden exaggerations about Y2K fell on ears that were all-too receptive. The Y2K fiasco was about more than simple prudence.

Religions from Zoroastrianism to Judaism to Christianity to U.F.O. cults have been built around notions of sin and the world�s end. The Y2K threat resonated with those ideas. Human beings have constructed an enormous, wasteful, unnatural civilization, filled with sin � or, worse in some minds, pollution and environmental waste. Suppose it turned out that a couple of zeros inadvertently left off old computer codes brought crashing down the very civilization computers helped to create. Cosmic justice!

The theme of our fancy inventions ultimately destroying us has been a favorite in fiction at least since Mary Shelley�s �Frankenstein.� We can place alongside this a continuous succession of spectacular films built on visions of the end of the world. Such end-time fantasies must have a profound, persistent appeal in order to keep drawing wide-eyed crowds into movie theaters, as historically they have drawn crowds into churches, year after year. "
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought people who get wrapped up in end-of-the-world scenarios are really projecting their concern about their own personal mortality.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think predicting an L-shaped depression is projecting a doomsday scenario.

I also think that in American culture particularly, losing one's job is an extremely stressful event, and I think Ya-Ta would agree.
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
I don't think predicting an L-shaped depression is projecting a doomsday scenario.

I also think that in American culture particularly, losing one's job is an extremely stressful event, and I think Ya-Ta would agree.


But there seem to be some who are predicting something considerably worse.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This applies, in my view, to the towering seas, storms, droughts and mass extinctions of popular climate catastrophism.


qft
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaykimf wrote:
Kuros wrote:
I don't think predicting an L-shaped depression is projecting a doomsday scenario.

I also think that in American culture particularly, losing one's job is an extremely stressful event, and I think Ya-Ta would agree.


But there seem to be some who are predicting something considerably worse.


It's ok. You'll not have to read about it anymore.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
I don't think predicting an L-shaped depression is projecting a doomsday scenario.

I also think that in American culture particularly, losing one's job is an extremely stressful event, and I think Ya-Ta would agree.


While it's obviously stressful to lose your job in any society, I don't think it's particularly bad in the US. My impression of Korean culture is that a person 'is' his job and to lose the job is to lose a big chunk of identity. In one of my jobs, years ago, there was a guy who mainly sat around reading the newspaper. I asked a friend about it. He said the guy was incompetent at most things so they gave him only the simplest jobs and shared the more difficult stuff around the office. I asked why he wasn't fired so they could hire someone who could pull his own weight and let the slacker find a job he could do. My friend said it would humiliate the slacker.

I agree that predicting an L-shaped recession is not the same as predicting the sky is falling, especially when the predictor does it time and again. With some of those predictions, there is more than a whiff of wishful thinking.
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
jaykimf wrote:
Kuros wrote:
I don't think predicting an L-shaped depression is projecting a doomsday scenario.

I also think that in American culture particularly, losing one's job is an extremely stressful event, and I think Ya-Ta would agree.


But there seem to be some who are predicting something considerably worse.


It's ok. You'll not have to read about it anymore.


Obviously, I don't need to read at all. However, whether I read about it or not ," the end of the world as we know it" controversies continue and can be quite interesting and even downright entertaining. There are a couple of posters at least who are absolutely hilarious. (I'm not talking about you).
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