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KoreanAmbition
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| makemischief wrote: |
Just 5 sets of 75 minute classes: 12.5 hours a week teaching required.
perhaps i don't understand the other question? a typical teaching day if you are on the morning shift would be come in and teach at 9 (or 8 if you have a non-credit class) and be done by 1:15. This can be slightly shorter some days depending on the schedule you choose- or longer if it is your first semester and you get bad luck and have gaps.
Afternoon shift is the same but starts at 12 or 1:15 and has the potential non-credit class at the end of the day. Hope that makes sense.
I am a bit confused as to why you want to know- just out of curiosity? I'm wondering because you said you turned down their interview offer.
Cheers and good luck to whomever does end up working there- it's a nice environment- I've got friends still at both campuses. |
Makemischief...
Since you asked. I turned down their interview for a few reasons. I had been given a lot of wrong information by the contact person, as I've mentioned a few times int his thread. The job sounded "okay" from what I'd originally been told, so I applied. However, based on the information I'd been given, the conditions of the job were not that great. Also, in a running thread, someone told me that SKKU had notified him of an interview, but I didn't hear until a few days later. On a Wednesday, they notified me that I had an interview on Saturday. I wasn't impressed with that and it seemed a bit like they were sort of wasting my time.
Why do I still want to know about the job? I don't apply to dozens of jobs. I only apply to a few and I spend a lot of time on the applications. I'd like to know the correct details of a job that I spent several hours applying to. The commute to submit my documents was 3 hours alone...not to mention preparing all my documents, typing a cover letter, getting reference letters, calling about 3 times for information, etc... As well, I'd like accurate information for the next time I'm giving the information to someone. I want to do a better job of providing information than SKKU did for me.
As for me not understanding what you meant, I think it's because the numbers don't add up, such as:
You said "5 sets of 75 minute classes." You know that's only 6.25 hours right?
I have no comment about you saying the job entails 12.5 hours of teaching when the job ad clearly said a minimum of 15.
Also, above, you said classes have a 15 minute gap in between, so if you start at 9:00am, and work 75 minutes, and then have a 15-minute gap, followed by another 75 minutes, you're finished at 11:45am.
Anyways, I'm not questioning any of your information and saying it's wrong. In fact, I'm sure you're correct...I'm just trying to understand what the SKKU job "truly" is. I put a lot of time into applying for that job, only to find out that actually the information was conveyed inaccurately. The truth is that the information obviously influenced my opinion of the job, and the information about OT rates and also working 24 hours a week, certainly didn't make the job sound like anything wonderful. The final reason I passed on the interview was because I was offered something that looked more appealing. Why go to an interview when you already have an offer for something you think is better?
However, at this time, this is all for my own sake. I have interest in knowing exactly what job I passed up on (the chance of getting), as opposed to the "supposed" job that I thought I was applying to.
Thanks for the information though...it sheds light onto the details of a situation that certainly sounded a bit strange before. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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I would like to start by saying that I have no idea what SKKU's opinion on the matter is, BUT, having worked for two unis, it might be that there are 5 classes that meet twice a week for 75 minutes, which means 2.5 hour for each class time 5 which is 12.5 hours, right?
ok, but they might mean CREDIT hours rather than clock hours? So 2.5 clock hours is 3 credit hours, so that means that you teach 15 credit hours, not clock hours.
Does that make sense?
Maybe that's what they mean. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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15 credit hours = 12.5 hours of real time per week at many unis.
Nature, the credit hours and scheduling b/t the Seoul and Suwon campus is different. Get in contact with a teacher at Suwon to get proper info, not on eslcafe. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Have done that. Emailed three teachers a couple of days ago. One replied. She said they only teach 5 classes a week.
Anyways, if it's 12.5 or 15 clock hours, it's still HALF than what I'm doing now and Iwon't have to spend 20 hours a week on the bus either  |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. I suppose I will choose my words more carefully. 5 sets, 5 pairs, 5X2 of 75 minutes is what I meant. Total of 10 75 minute classes or 12.5 real hours. Each 75 minute class is counted as 1.5 teaching hours=15 teaching hours- as nature girl and other guessed.
Hypothetical Morning schedule:
Example possible day.
Class 1: 9, Class 2: 10:30 done at 11:45 (actual)
Another example possible day.
Class 1: 9, Class 2: 10:30, Class 3: 12:00 done at 1:15
Another example possible day.
Class 1: 9, GAP (schedule your office hour here), Class 2: 12:00 done at 1:15
Mix and match the above examples until you get 10 classes (5 sets of 2). First semester teachers have a worse mix (more gaps/days..usually, but not always). After the first semester it gets better. These figures are still true at Seoul Campus- if they've changed at Suwon I am unaware of it, but it is possible.
Hope that makes more sense. |
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KoreanAmbition
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Makemischief,
Yes, that makes more sense. Thank you for clarifying. Seems to be a good idea to wipe out all your office hours in one swoop if possible.
Naturegirl, how many office hours do you have to do? |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| I have no idea. |
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makemischief
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| I have no idea. |
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ChrisPK
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| What specific questions do you have? |
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ChrisPK
Joined: 07 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| What specific questions do you have? |
A lot of important info is missing in their job positing: length of vacation, overtime pay rates, monthly salary, housing, etc. The same questions you asked years ago. |
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Roman Holiday
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ChrisPK wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| What specific questions do you have? |
A lot of important info is missing in their job positing: length of vacation, overtime pay rates, monthly salary, housing, etc. The same questions you asked years ago. |
I worked there a few years back. I heard from the previous head-teacher that housing is no longer offered. Perhaps they've priced that in to the salary offered. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| What specific questions do you have? |
A lot of important info is missing in their job positing: length of vacation, overtime pay rates, monthly salary, housing, etc. The same questions you asked years ago. |
Before I worked there it was amazing. No micromanaging, affordable housing, and one day off per week. While I was there it was still good 45 mil plus 33-60 for overtime and classes during break. No days off. On campus housing doubled. They got rid of convo OT and the credit class OT was halved. They gave us two COL raises one year but then basically took it away with the OT game.
Full vacay so 20 weeks but you're not allowed to leave the country until two weeks after the semester ends and have to come back two weeks early. There are classes during breaks. First come first serve. Most are three weeks and those are right after the semester finishes. The convo ones are five weeks and start two weeks after the semester ends. It's hard to fill those classes and often go to the newest teachers. One year we had to split it in a two week and three week course because no on wanted it. What's worse is that some classes cancel. One guy was supposed to teach two courses. Both got cancelled. Last minute of course so tickets were too expensive to buy to go home.
Salary is the same as it has been for years. Conditions are not as good but the same can be said for most TEFL jobs here. The suwon campus is much nicer. Seoul teachers can get a bit too competitive and will do what they have to to get ahead. |
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ChrisPK
Joined: 07 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| ChrisPK wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| What specific questions do you have? |
A lot of important info is missing in their job positing: length of vacation, overtime pay rates, monthly salary, housing, etc. The same questions you asked years ago. |
Before I worked there it was amazing. No micromanaging, affordable housing, and one day off per week. While I was there it was still good 45 mil plus 33-60 for overtime and classes during break. No days off. On campus housing doubled. They got rid of convo OT and the credit class OT was halved. They gave us two COL raises one year but then basically took it away with the OT game.
Full vacay so 20 weeks but you're not allowed to leave the country until two weeks after the semester ends and have to come back two weeks early. There are classes during breaks. First come first serve. Most are three weeks and those are right after the semester finishes. The convo ones are five weeks and start two weeks after the semester ends. It's hard to fill those classes and often go to the newest teachers. One year we had to split it in a two week and three week course because no on wanted it. What's worse is that some classes cancel. One guy was supposed to teach two courses. Both got cancelled. Last minute of course so tickets were too expensive to buy to go home.
Salary is the same as it has been for years. Conditions are not as good but the same can be said for most TEFL jobs here. The suwon campus is much nicer. Seoul teachers can get a bit too competitive and will do what they have to to get ahead. |
Your monthly salary at SKKU was only 2.835/month, but how did you end up with 45 mil annual salary? Is it the maximum salary you can get when you add all the overtime hours and include teaching during winter and summer breaks? I still don't get it. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ChrisPK wrote: |
| Your monthly salary at SKKU was only 2.835/month, but how did you end up with 45 mil annual salary? Is it the maximum salary you can get when you add all the overtime hours and include teaching during winter and summer breaks? I still don't get it. |
No. Where did you get that my monthly salary was 2.835? It was 3,461,438. The 45mil is what you get with 13 salaries because it included severance. That's not the max. Most people made more. People could make 60mil plus. LIke I said, stuff has changed. There was one month I made over 10 mil because of all the work I did during break, plus my regular pay, plus severance. If they're only pay 2.835 a month, that's a heck of a lot less than they were paying when I left 3 years ago. And the cost of living has gone up. |
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