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Emark



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: post deleted Reply with quote

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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's my understanding that the only legal way to teach is on an E2 visa (or F series), and that the E2 is for one year. Most schools want a teacher for the full year, so the standard offer is the one year contract. This in turn justifies their expenses of offering accommodations and airfare. Severance pay is Korean law after working twelve months.

So the way I see it, there are three ways of going about this:

1. Be honest and upfront with employers and let them know that you can only work for four months, and will be terminating in May. For this you can offer to pay your own way over (so you don't have to reimburse them at the end). It may take a longer search on your own, but it's possible that there are schools out there who need a teacher now and are willing to go this route.

If you do choose to try this, recruiters probably won't touch you because the employer may not wish to pay for a 4-month recruit. You'll have to find a school on your own.

2. Just get a one year visa/contract and turn in your notice in April. Not quite honest, but is legal. Be prepared to pay your own airfare, or have it deducted from your last pay.

3. Go over on a tourist visa with all your documents in order. Find the school that will employ you for 3-4 months, then do a visa run to Japan for the one-year E2 visa and have it cancelled when you leave in May.
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Emark



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Bondrock



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread raises my hackles.

A five year veteran in Korea with a leased apartment getting advice from Kikomom, a lady who has never set foot in a Korean Immigration office.

Kikomom: you should not be posting in the job-related forum. Surely you must understand that there are real teachers here who have "real" experience that goes far beyond the "Dave's ESLCafe" schmozzle of misinformation.

To the OP: use your common sense. After five years you should know the situation here about working illegally. You take a chance, or you don't. If you work illegally, and you get caught, you face the penalty. Or, you can listen to someone who has never worked in Korea.


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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bondrock wrote:
A five year veteran in Korea with a leased apartment getting advice from Kikomom, a lady who has never set foot in a Korean Immigration office.

Kikomom: you should not be posting in the job-related forum. Surely you must understand that there are real teachers here who have "real" experience that goes far beyond the "Dave's ESLCafe" schmozzle of misinformation.

Laughing Cute, Bondie. Your whiny ways make no impression on me other than for a good laugh. Hey, he asked for any ideas or thoughts and I gave mine.

Now the real teachers here can give their suggestions--about subbing and how that works with an ARC?.
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bondrock wrote:
This thread raises my hackles.

A five year veteran in Korea with a leased apartment getting advice from Kikomom, a lady who has never set foot in a Korean Immigration office.

Kikomom: you should not be posting in the job-related forum. Surely you must understand that there are real teachers here who have "real" experience that goes far beyond the "Dave's ESLCafe" schmozzle of misinformation.

To the OP: use your common sense. After five years you should know the situation here about working illegally. You take a chance, or you don't. If you work illegally, and you get caught, you face the penalty. Or, you can listen to some housewife-groupie who has never worked in Korea.


I'm a real teacher teaching in real Korea. Has Kikomom said anything in this thread that is incorrect?
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Draz



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're coming in Jan and Feb, you might be able to find some camps for those months and get a short term working visa, then switch it over to a tourist visa. How much money do you need?
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PRagic



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, nothing has changed. You will be working illegally and if you get popped, then you'll pay the price. Period.

Plus, if you get your chunsae back, you won't have to worry about coin while you're here!

Come on. Have to side with Bondrock, at least partially. If you taught in Korean for a term of 5 years, and have been out of the country for only a year, you shouldn't have to ask.

More importantly, as nobody can really slam you for just checking on possible changes, you also shouldn't have to be that worried about coin! Even noobs bank away about 10K a year. Maybe you have circumstances beyond your control that put you in a bad way. Still, it does raise and eyebrow, as does leaving the country with chunsae in play.

Difficult to understand the OP.
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Emark



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:

Plus, if you get your chunsae back, you won't have to worry about coin while you're here!

Maybe you have circumstances beyond your control that put you in a bad way. Still, it does raise and eyebrow, as does leaving the country with chunsae in play.

Difficult to understand the OP.


I want to take the Chunsae back to Canada to invest it into my upgrades to my Canadian properties.

With out pouring my life story onto the threads of Dave's...
Yes, I had some issues arise that brought me back to Canada with chunsae in play. At the time, I didn't care and figured I would return sooner. Besides, with no monthly fee? Who cares!

Still looking for some insight as to substitute teaching and other short term jobs.
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PRagic



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No monthly fees? Never heard of THAT before! Subletting?

And who cares? Anyone seeking to make more than 0% off of their coin when even poorly performing markets are doing 20% and the leaders are clipping away at a 50%-100%+ pace!

Yes, you WANT to take the chunsae back to Canada. So come over, get the chunsae, and go back. People in hell want ice water. Why do you have to do an extended stay?

Sorry, but it sounds like you're fishing for info on a no-no subject. Question asked and answered: work without a visa is vorboten and you may indeed get popped, fined and deported.

As for short term legal work? Aside from perhaps a camp in February and March, odds are extremely against it. Hiring for camps is most likely over with anyway. And, again, after having done 5 years here, you should know that full well. Nothing has changed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, I know one person in Seoul who was able to work short time and was able to get a visa. The school was desperate and needed someone to cover a runner. They won't care if you are going to only be there for a few months, they just don't want to lose the students. Just bring all your paperwork with you (multiple copies of each) so you are ready to go.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:

Laughing Cute, Bondie. Your whiny ways make no impression on me other than for a good laugh. Hey, he asked for any ideas or thoughts and I gave mine.

Now the real teachers here can give their suggestions--about subbing and how that works with an ARC?.


You can interpret my post as 'whiny' or anything else you like, but you really should reconsider whether it is prudent for you to post on the Job-Related forum. It shows a lack of tact and decorum since you have no experience in Korea.

Post on the General discussion forum all you like.



What's next? Dating advice from Kentucker4?
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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you really should reconsider whether it is prudent for you to post on the Job-Related forum. It shows a lack of tact and decorum since you have no experience in Korea.

Indeed, advice on tact and decorum? You're still cracking me up, Bondrock. You have no idea how much tack and decorum I've used NOT answering questions here, only reading the answers from actual teachers.

You don't think people can pick up valuable information from reading? Tell me, what was your university education about? I think I'll leave that question open to give you something to ponder on.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
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you really should reconsider whether it is prudent for you to post on the Job-Related forum. It shows a lack of tact and decorum since you have no experience in Korea.

Indeed, advice on tact and decorum? You're still cracking me up, Bondrock. You have no idea how much tack and decorum I've used NOT answering questions here, only reading the answers from actual teachers.

You don't think people can pick up valuable information from reading? Tell me, what was your university education about? I think I'll leave that question open to give you something to ponder on.


Truth is, you have no idea what I or anyone living here really thinks or knows about Korea. Reading an ESLcafe does not make one any kind of expert on Korean law, or more importantly, Korean culture.

Quote:
"I think I'll leave that question open to give you something to ponder on."


Your statement attempts to subvert the issue and is quite condescending.

Furthermore, your attitude is pretentious, yet speaks of an incredible naivety. Reading books and being university educated hardly makes anyone a cultural expert.

Korea is not an easy society to understand and giving 'legal' answers to 'moral' questions does little to help most of the posters who come here with questions.

I suspect that you feel a sense of community on this board because you obviously read it and your posts are prolific, Kikomom. Still, passing yourself off as a person who is knowledgeable about Korea (based on information gleaned from the pages of Dave's ESl) is naive.

You are not a member of the 'real-life community' that I daily wake up to. So please, don't try to be all motherly and attempt to act superior.
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