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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| One doesn't expect a fair trial in China. China doesn't care if someone is mentally ill. He broke the law, and he gets executed for it. I feel bad for the man. He thought his horrible song would make him an international pop star. He did become famous, but in a way he would never wanted to be. I wouldn't want to be famous that way. Being executed sounds rather horrible. China is a scary place. Those drug mules got away, but they might get caught one day for their crime. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| One doesn't expect a fair trial in China. |
Check.
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| China doesn't care if someone is mentally ill. |
Check two, microphone.
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| He broke the law, and he gets executed for it. |
We've presumably read the account.
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| I feel bad for the man. |
Yay?
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| He thought his horrible song would make him an international pop star. |
Are you a talent scout?
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| He did become famous, but in a way he would never wanted to be. |
Yes...hmmm.
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| I wouldn't want to be famous that way. |
Me neither.
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| Being executed sounds rather horrible. |
Naw, I heard it ain't so bad.
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| China is a scary place. |
I know. Maybe if they put up minarets all over it would be less imposing.
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| Those drug mules got away, but they might get caught one day for their crime. |
Or they might not. In any event, thanks for sharing.
In dunno why adventurer annoys me, but he really does. I consider myself to be an open-minded person without an axe to grind, but I confess this "simpleton speaking from up on high" routine sticks in my craw.
I should make a New Year's resolution to myself to let this stuff go. |
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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| @caniff --> zingo! |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Too many bleeding liberals.
...being tough on drug dealers...The cost to the general public due to drugs is also high. You need more police, more border guards, more jails, more prisons, more hospitals, more doctors, etc.
If the liberal West would take the same tough stance that some Asian countries do on the importation of illegal narcotics, there would be billions saved that could be put into things like education or health care, or wait, perhaps even the taxpayer themselves could get a break.
I am a firm believer in the death penalty, and I like the Chinese/Russian style of justice... |
Aside from this being a good brief summary of the authoritarian mindset, it's enlightening to hear that 'more police, more border guards, more jails, more prisons' would lead to 'billions saved'.
I for one find it remarkable how attractive the Chinese/Russian systems are to so many conservatives. |
By conservatives do you mean tax payers who don't like to see their money abused? If so, I guess I am a conservative.
I don't have a problem with drugs, except that they are illegal and by that very nature bring out some huge problems. Namely those mentioned above and the huge cost.
I would rather have the government run the show and tax it. Then put those taxes into health care or whatever services one needs for the day the addicts come calling. I am sure that the revenues will far outstrip any costs for said addicts.
I believe in a system of justice where it doesn't take years and millions of dollars of tax payer money to get the end result. Usually the end result is: if you are rich, you have a chance at twisting the law to get yourself free, guilty or innocent. If you are poor and the evidence against you is steep, you are doomed to be found guilty, whether you are or not.
For a lot of violent crimes, we should use the death penalty. Yes, human life is precious, but again it comes down to money. I don't believe in socialism or social welfare.
I have news for you, the West cannot sustain itself with all the social welfare systems they have in place. Keep building prisons and hiring more government workers. But when the majority of the population is drowning in debt and have high taxes, how long do you think it will be before there are revolutions calling for lower taxation and responsible government? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:40 am Post subject: |
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I don't have a problem with drugs, except that they are illegal and by that very nature bring out some huge problems. Namely those mentioned above and the huge cost.
I would rather have the government run the show and tax it. Then put those taxes into health care or whatever services one needs for the day the addicts come calling. I am sure that the revenues will far outstrip any costs for said addicts. |
Yes.
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| believe in a system of justice where it doesn't take years and millions of dollars of tax payer money to get the end result. Usually the end result is: if you are rich, you have a chance at twisting the law to get yourself free, guilty or innocent. If you are poor and the evidence against you is steep, you are doomed to be found guilty, whether you are or not. |
The prison lobby is strong, and the poor are their bread and butter.
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| For a lot of violent crimes, we should use the death penalty. Yes, human life is precious, but again it comes down to money. I don't believe in socialism or social welfare. |
I don't agree with this - at least not under our current appeals process and such. Not only is it cheaper to house a person for life as opposed to executing them, but it sends a bad message about our character as a nation. Better to just lock them up.
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| I have news for you, the West cannot sustain itself with all the social welfare systems they have in place. Keep building prisons and hiring more government workers. But when the majority of the population is drowning in debt and have high taxes, how long do you think it will be before there are revolutions calling for lower taxation and responsible government? |
Yep. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Being executed sounds rather horrible. |
Ya think???
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| @caniff --> zingo! |
Blockhead confidence --> zingo! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
I believe in a system of justice where it doesn't take years and millions of dollars of tax payer money to get the end result. Usually the end result is: if you are rich, you have a chance at twisting the law to get yourself free, guilty or innocent. If you are poor and the evidence against you is steep, you are doomed to be found guilty, whether you are or not.
For a lot of violent crimes, we should use the death penalty. Yes, human life is precious, but again it comes down to money. I don't believe in socialism or social welfare. |
So in one paragraph you lament that our criminal justice system is clearly flawed, with innocent people at times being convicted because they're too poor to afford the best legal defense. In fact, you assert its so flawed that you seem to be suggesting streamlining the system in light of those flaws. Then in the next paragraph, you support putting people to death based on the outcome of our flawed legal system.
The government should not have the right to put its citizens to death. Not ever. No criminal justice system is perfect; at times wrongful convictions will occur. If you just lock a person up, when they are later proven innocent you can at least release them and compensate them for their unjust incarceration. If you kill someone and they are later proven innocent, all you can do is sigh.
When you can create a system of justice that has a demonstrable 0% rate of convicting the innocent, we can begin talking about the death penalty. Even then it would still be a monsterous abuse in my estimation, but at least one would have grounds to begin arguing for it in some reasonable sense. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Being executed sounds rather horrible. |
Ya think???quote]
A hair cut feels nice, but having your head cut or an injection you don't wake up from sounds scary. I don't support the death penalty. I know some people do. I think it should be abolished in the U.S. and everywhere.
I remember once, on a side note, seeing a picture of a Korean who had his head chopped off by the Japanese, and he was pointing to his severed head. I see nothing humane about executions. |
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Palladium
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Screw all the fuzzy brained, liberal thinking. The guy came into a country that HAS a death penalty while he was smuggling a large amount of a very dangerous drug. Tough [Mod Edit] Do do the crime if you can't do the crime! End of story.
Drug smuggling is one of the crimes there SHOULD be a death penalty for! |
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