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[banjois]

[beck's]

The whole issue of airport security is foolish.

All of the hijackings of commerical aircraft since and including the Lockerby crash in the 80s have been perpetrated by males of a certain ethnicity and a certain age group who are followers of a certain religion. Something like half of them have had the name Mohammed.

This ladies and gentlemen is more than just, in the words of President Obama, a "systemic failure." The attacks have been done by, again in Obama's words, "extremists." However, we all know which of the major religions these "extremists" follow.

It must be about control, otherwise why search grannie's little shampoo bottles and face cream? Why confiscate grampie's shaving tackle. If they were really trying to make the skies safe for travellers, if that was their top priority, then they would know who to search and who to body scan.

If and when we make the skies safe how will we make the shopping malls safe?

I want to hear the leaders of that certain religion decrying these savages who do these crimes in Allah's name. I want to hear this outcry world wide. I want to hear and see the various Muslim clerics condemning these criminals. I want to see this from NBC to youtube, from the BBC to the CBC. I want to see them in their little white hats and medieval beards decked out in their robes on the TV, on the six o'clock news. Until I hear this and see this I want the visa restrictions and the deportations to begin.

[Reggie]

I'm surprised that most people seemingly prefer patdowns to bodyscans. A bodyscan seems a lot less invasive in a "look but don't touch" sort of way.

[Panda]

[Reggie]

We're probably a whole lot more vulnerable to truck bombs than airplane highjackings anyway. I guess it's only a matter of time before the US government puts TSA agents at truck stops, trucking terminals, adult video stores, and rest areas and does patdowns, bodyscans, and baggage checks of truck drivers.

[bacasper]

Keeping the terror threat alive

Posted: 2009/12/29
From: Mathaba

[beck's]

Actually, Mr. Casper, the American government and military is an invention of Al Queada.

All of those troops in Iraq and elsewhere are patsies and dupes. They are not American soldiers at all just hired guns paid for by Osama Bin Laden to kill Muslims. Saudi oil money is paying for this. In this way the Muslim world will beieve that they are being oppressed by America and will accept fewer rights and more social control.

You can see how this has effected women in the Muslim world. Since the control of the American government by Bin Laden they have fewer rights and are more acceptable to stonings etc. They accept this because of their fear of an America, which doesn't really exist at all. Modern America is an invention of Al Queada.

My conspiracy theory is just as valid as your's, no?

[bacasper]

Actually, Mr. Beck, no, it is not.

The difference is that mine is backed up by documented fact. Or are you going to deny that Al Qaeda was a creature of US intelligence to counter the Soviets in Afghanistan?

[beck's]

No one is denying that the US government funded the Mujahadeen with guns and money prior to the defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. This has been well documented although your use of the word "creature" is a little too strong, IMO.

Shifting alliances have been part of global politics since the beginning of time. The USA supported Stalin's regime 1941-45. At that time Germany was the greater threat. This doesn't mean that Stalinist Russia was an American "creature."

Orwell talks about the necessity of continuous warfare for economic and social control reasons. We can even use 1984 to compare Bin Laden with Goldstein. It would make a good undergraduate essay.

Warfare has been continuous throughout the history of the world. Peace is unusual and breaks out for only short periods of time. Still, I would argue that we westerners are freer now than in any point in the history of the world. The sky is the limit today.

Kids have carte blanche in school to behave as if they were princes and princesses. Westerners travel freely all over the world. Economically we are richer than ever before. I live like a king compared to my parents and probably so do you. Our medical care is the best in the world. Our nutrition is second to none. Our lifespans are increasing. Men have the freedom to marry men and women to marry women.

On any humanitarian scale you wish to measure us by we are the best. Our freedom has not been taken away. Not in the least. We are the envy of the world. People from all over the globe are scrambling to live in the west. This is not because we have less freedom and opportunity. It is because we have more.

Yes, we have to submit to some extra security in airports. I would argue that this is because we have not protected our borders as we might have. I am confident that this will change. There is little in the Muslim world, with the exception of oil, that we want or need here. We just need to recognize this and act accordingly.

[mises]

Needed 3 hours to clear YEG for US bound flight today. All passengers are patted down and no carry on luggage is permitted. Also must stay seated for final hour of flight.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31122.html

[Reggie]

Here's what the bodyscans look like: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908

I bet some of the TSA agents can't believe they've finally realized their lifelong dream of being paid to sit around and look at porn all day.

I'll have to think about Jenna Jameson and walk through the scanner sporting wood when I fly.

[mises]

[mises]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/01/02/group_slams_chertoff_on_scanner_promotion/

[itaewonguy]

[hagwonnewbie]

If you add up all the lost time of every traveler who has been inconvenienced as a result of the shoe bomber and now this guy...

Then add up the extra workforce of TSA's needed to conduct the extra pat downs/searches. Cost of scanning equipment, legislation, workers, media energy expended, time wasted worrying about this...

Over the course of the next few decades...

It would have to be in the 10's, 100's or even thousands of billions of dollars.

To say that these two dopes didn't win is erroneous. They have negatively affected the lives of millions of travelers who pass through airports daily.

Misguided dopes + 1 trillion

World travelers/taxpayers/citizens 0