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GEPIK - Must submit where you will travel during vacation?
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bbb0777



Joined: 24 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: GEPIK - Must submit where you will travel during vacation? Reply with quote

Hi, I'm a GEPIK high school teacher. I've been told I need to submit roughly where I will go/what I will do during the days I'm taking vacation.

Are other GEPIK teachers asked to do this? Do they comply? I know regular Korean teachers are required to do as much, but I didn't believe GEPIK native teachers were.

I have a very good relationship with my school/like them a lot, but somehow don't like the principle of this, so want to check first. Thanks,
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sugarloaf82



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's normal. For every vacation I've taken in the past year I've just told them what country/countries I'm going to and that's all they ask. For this vacation they asked what days I need off and what country. I don't think it's a big deal.
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bbb0777



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you fill in a form, or was it just verbally reported?
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it matters. I would write where I am going in a general sense. I would write my family anyway where I am going specifically, so there wouldn't be much of a problem just using the same letter.
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Home leave Reply with quote

When you renew for GEPIK there is a clause that says you get two extra weeks vacation for "home Leave". i.e vacation in your first year is 4 weeks but in your second it is 6 weeks. I am thinking that if you don't go home you might not get the extra vacation.
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Burndog



Joined: 17 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Home leave Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
When you renew for GEPIK there is a clause that says you get two extra weeks vacation for "home Leave". i.e vacation in your first year is 4 weeks but in your second it is 6 weeks. I am thinking that if you don't go home you might not get the extra vacation.


No...the contract states -

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In the event Employee does not travel to his/her home country, Employee will be given the amount of money equivalent to the round-trip airfare based on the economy class rate of Korean Airline within 2 weeks upon renewal of Contract. Vacation is used in the manner pursuant to the foregoing 3.


the foregoing 3 is this -

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3. In the case of renewal of this contract pursuant to the foregoing 1, Employee shall be given a fourteen day (14) (weekend and national holidays inclusive) additional home leave vacation period which is extra, beyond the yearly paid leave. Home leave must be taken during the vacation periods not conflicting with school schedules either just before or just after the contract year is completed


So it's not for that reason.
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andrewchon



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Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's normal for K-teachers to submit a form requesting holiday.
In it, there's a box for destination, as well as dates etc.
VP usually rubber stamps it.
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bish



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just say you are foing on holiday but you have made no specific plans yet...
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nobbyken



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NST's contracts are getting more similar to Korean teachers.
Before vacation, there were many teachers visiting the Principal to tell him where they were going on vacation. For Korean teachers, visiting an English speaking country is considered part of the 2 weeks home study allowed each year.
If you are on an E2 visa, the school or school governing body is sponsering you. I think it is correct that they know where you are throughout the duration of your contract.

Korean culture is that everyone belongs to each other, so keeping unimportant things to yourself just for the sake of it, will be setting yourself up against the culture.
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Cerberus



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes you do have to report where you will be traveling to, and though I enjoyed some of the snide comments in the thread, I will tell you the REAL reason for this.

Basically in your contract it states you will be governed under the same laws as Korean teachers.

Korean teachers are "public employees". ALL public employees must report when they leave the country, where they're going and for how long.

This is of course completely assinine, applicable to govt workers, especially those with a security clearance but nonsensical for a profession like a teacher.

But it is what it is.

It's all useless paperwork. I've seen the vp at my school just mindlessly stamp away at a huge stack of teacher vacation forms.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not only GEPIK. Both unis I work(ed) at required profs to submit travel plans if they intended on leaving the country. This was uni policy, and applied to the Korean profs, too. If you left the country, you had to file a travel plan.
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lapin131



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh that's why there were teachers who went overseas, but said that it was a "secret" Our VP is quite a character... so they probably didn't want to deal with him.
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kimchi girl



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cerberus wrote:
yes you do have to report where you will be traveling to, and though I enjoyed some of the snide comments in the thread, I will tell you the REAL reason for this.

Basically in your contract it states you will be governed under the same laws as Korean teachers.

Korean teachers are "public employees". ALL public employees must report when they leave the country, where they're going and for how long.

This is of course completely assinine, applicable to govt workers, especially those with a security clearance but nonsensical for a profession like a teacher.

But it is what it is.

It's all useless paperwork. I've seen the vp at my school just mindlessly stamp away at a huge stack of teacher vacation forms.


most places will 'ask' you were you're going. Having to put it in writing at a university is something that I have not heard very much of.

But as to the real reason, you are correct, but there is one important thing to note. As a foreign national they cannot prevent you from leaving the country at any time, nor can they prevent you visiting any country; unless Korea has sanctions or other legal measures in place regarding a specific country.

So when the VP tells you that you can't leave for a weekend trip to Shanghai or wherever, tell him unless he wants to hear from the XX embassy and a lawyer he better consult international law.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi girl wrote:
As a foreign national they cannot prevent you from leaving the country at any time, nor can they prevent you visiting any country; unless Korea has sanctions or other legal measures in place regarding a specific country.

Well, of course. At my last uni, our boss was on a power trip and because he was angry with us for daring to defy him about a completely unrelated situation, when it came time for summer intersession--even though we had no classes or camps at all to teach for the entire summer--he FORBADE us from leaving CAMPUS nevermind the country. We all promptly guffawed out loud (to his face) when he said this. He didn't like that one bit judging by the purplish-crimson hue his face turned upon hearing our laughter.

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So when the VP tells you that you can't leave for a weekend trip to Shanghai or wherever, tell him unless he wants to hear from the XX embassy and a lawyer he better consult international law.

Considering at the time of our boss' edict (we must obey him and stay on campus until he gives us permission to leave) that my mother happened to be dying, I told them straight up I was leaving, permission or not, and he had no legal basis to stop me. Uni policy said I had to file travel plans with the office, so I did that, but nowhere does it say I needed his or anyone's permission to leave in policy or in law. Basically, told him to stick it, I was leaving, and when I got back told him to find a new teacher (we ALL left anyway, so he had to find a whole new staff to boss around).
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bbb0777



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobbyken wrote:


Korean culture is that everyone belongs to each other, so keeping unimportant things to yourself just for the sake of it, will be setting yourself up against the culture.


Good point, thanks. I think I'd argue this is more the fealty to one's boss bit of the culture though, as opposed to a two-way street, in this case at least.

I also know quite a few Korean-born teachers who resent the policy, as well as at least a few who during the swine flu over-reaction, opted to risk it and just take low-profile trips.

But anyway, my main goal was just to see if this was a common request, which it is, so I'll go with it. Odd that I don't like the principle of this...I've never really had, any, problems with the culture/way of doing things, that is as it directly pertained to me.


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