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Yemen is a backwards hole
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Is Yemen a backwards hole?
Yes
47%
 47%  [ 8 ]
No, Yemen is misunderstood
23%
 23%  [ 4 ]
Not sure / don't care
29%
 29%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 17

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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, they'll have identical outcomes? Coke commercial indeed.

How about Jain's? Would fundamentalist Jains cause all the problems that obedient muslims do? (warm up the google, eh?)
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beck's



Joined: 02 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mises, I am not, in any way a multiculturalist. Western culture is far superior to any other the world has ever know on any level that one wishes to compare.

Theocracies are all similar, however. They are all corrupt, dehumanizing and vile down to their very cores. Notice that I am using the word theocracy. You give priests/clerics/imams/mullahs/Tibetan monks or what have you absolute power over people and you have the makings of a oppressive and poverty stricken society that is founded on superstition and ignorance.

My use of the Tibetan Monks as an example in the previous paragraph will have the liberals screaming to the heavens. So be it.

Even local quasi/pseudo theocracies, as occurred in rural Canada some time back, led to the most horrible cases of child abuse in the country's history. I know that in certain immigrant areas of London, for example, these quasi-theocracies, which are based on sharia, are cesspools of abuse towards women. Forced mutilation and marriages to name only two.

In the west we recognized this early on during the Enlightenment We put the priests firmly in their place. Personally, I love it when they come begging at the door or when they pass around the plate during their church services. Help us all if they ever get the power to confiscate our wealth.
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ytuque



Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inbreeding check
Child brides check
Islamic fundamentalists check
High illiteracy rate check
Extreme poverty check
Tribalism check
Violent society check
Lawless check
Intolerant check

What's not to love about Yemen? Sounds like the perfect place to take a visit! --to brush up on bomb making techniques.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beck's wrote:
Western culture is far superior to any other the world has ever know on any level that one wishes to compare.
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Damn right! And West = white! Actually, why the hell are you and I in Korea if it's not to just pillage the resources or control political affairs? And why am I daiting an inferior Asiatic?
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Yemen is a backwards hole Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Actually I reduced the last word in my title from eight letters to four to comply with TOS.


8 letters. Does that mean you speak British English, then?
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Yemen is a backwards hole Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Anyone want to defend Yemen?


Is Yemen a sentient being?

Or is it a piece of land, full of many different individuals. Some of them nice, some of the a***holes, and some of them somewhere between.

Like mises, I hope we are not going to try and 'bring them democracy' any time soon, as bringing democracy usually involves such stuff as bombing wedding parties and elementary schools, and enraging and enbittering their young male family members enough that they walk straight into the arms of militias and terrorist organisations.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Yemen is a backwards hole Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:


Like mises, I hope we are not going to try and 'bring them democracy' any time soon, as bringing democracy usually involves such stuff as bombing wedding parties and elementary schools, and enraging and enbittering their young male family members enough that they walk straight into the arms of militias and terrorist organisations.


No, we've "learned our lesson." Instead, the US and UK are providing "aid" to the Yemeni government to do the bombing by itself.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ, it didn't take the war party long. I've been watching CNN and the others and they're just all over Yemen (and Nigeria too, but we don't have the balls for that). Here we go again.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/02/20/daily_life_in_yemen

Looks like a pretty country. I had a chance to visit last time I was in UAE but passed. Too bad. It would have been nice to see it before it gets blown to bits and torn apart.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:


I think it depends on how you interpret an ideology. I mean there are different ways to interpret Karl Marx. That led different communists to kill each other.


Marx extolled violent revolution. So when Communists across the world killed the rich and redistributed their wealth, they were faithful to his word.

Mises is right that there's something meaningfully different about Islam about a religion, as there was something different about Communism as a philosophy. But after this point I think we part ways pretty quickly.

Bucheon Bum wrote:
No, we've "learned our lesson." Instead, the US and UK are providing "aid" to the Yemeni government to do the bombing by itself.


Bucheon is ahead of the curve, already cynical about America's return to non-interventionist realism. The Middle East is such a mess, I don't think outsiders can fix it.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Yemen is a backwards hole Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Kuros wrote:
Actually I reduced the last word in my title from eight letters to four to comply with TOS.


8 letters. Does that mean you speak British English, then?


E.B.White's The Elements of Style recommends spelling out numbers below 10 and numeralizing numbers above nine. He is not from Britain.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: Re: Yemen is a backwards hole Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Kuros wrote:
Actually I reduced the last word in my title from eight letters to four to comply with TOS.


8 letters. Does that mean you speak British English, then?


E.B.White's The Elements of Style recommends spelling out numbers below 10 and numeralizing numbers above nine. He is not from Britain.


Not sure if you misunderstood, or just changed the topic cos you saw an opportunity to be cheeky. I was wondering what the 4 absent letters from the 'reduced' word might be. Wink
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NovaKart



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Jain religion encourages nudism and they avoid even killing insects so I doubt that would encourage many terrorists. Still, I guess if they were in charge they could ban clothing and make it illegal to swat a fly.
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beck's



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear djsmnc:

I didn't equate western culture with white. The fact that you did is one reason why western civilization is in deep trouble. YOU, not me consider it racist and exclusive and therefore not worthy or deserving of your support.

Western countries have been more open to immigration than any other civilization in the history of man. Every colour on the globe has been welcomed into western society.

Western civilization is an idea, not a colour. Have you ever heard Chinese or Japanese musicians play European classical music? It is great. How open and wonderful. Western civilization is available to everyone on the globe. From Levis jeans to IPODS to the ideas of Adam Smith and the music of Strauss.

You are in Korea because the Koreans recognize the value of the civilization that you bring with you. They want their kids to have a knowledge of western ideas, language and values, including those having to do with education.

Your Korean girlfriend values the same things as the parents of the kids you teach. She is going out with you partially because of who you are and what values that you bring with you. Either consciously or unconciously you bring with you western values.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Christ, it didn't take the war party long. I've been watching CNN and the others and they're just all over Yemen (and Nigeria too, but we don't have the balls for that). Here we go again.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/02/20/daily_life_in_yemen

Looks like a pretty country. I had a chance to visit last time I was in UAE but passed. Too bad. It would have been nice to see it before it gets blown to bits and torn apart.


That was a nice set of photos. Thanks for posting the link.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Yemen is a backwards hole Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Kuros wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Kuros wrote:
Actually I reduced the last word in my title from eight letters to four to comply with TOS.


8 letters. Does that mean you speak British English, then?


E.B.White's The Elements of Style recommends spelling out numbers below 10 and numeralizing numbers above nine. He is not from Britain.


Not sure if you misunderstood, or just changed the topic cos you saw an opportunity to be cheeky. I was wondering what the 4 absent letters from the 'reduced' word might be. Wink


Oh, now I get it. Its was not what you think, but a product of that area of the body.
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