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"URGENT" need for teachers??
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Olivencia



Joined: 08 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:31 am    Post subject: "URGENT" need for teachers?? Reply with quote

Why is it that I so often read "urgent" in the advertisements for teaching positions especially in Korea? Is it because of:
a. Poor planning and they suddenly realized they need teachers on the double.
b. The teachers they originally had suddenly up and quit.
c. There is always a need for teachers "right now" in Korea.

Thanks
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Netz



Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple Answer:

Koreans are not "big" on long-term planning.

That is all.
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kinerry



Joined: 01 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit of it all.

I have a great recruiter, and they are having a hard time even finding people to fill the jobs the schools are throwing at them.

For some reason the shitty US economy hasn't really sent more people to Korea, at least yet.
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netz wrote:
Simple Answer:

Koreans are not "big" on long-term planning.

That is all.


You got that one right. Rolling Eyes

I just love the last minute everything, especially with the contract renewals for March 2010.
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LexusNexus



Joined: 05 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kinerry wrote:
A bit of it all.

I have a great recruiter, and they are having a hard time even finding people to fill the jobs the schools are throwing at them.

For some reason the shitty US economy hasn't really sent more people to Korea, at least yet.


That is good, then. Less competition, the better the conditions, perhaps.

Also, it seems Korea has turnover, for many reasons.

EFL teachers come for different reasons, and leave for many reasons.
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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has always had a 'balli balli' problem -meaning 'hurry hurry'. Usually things are only thought of after they are meant to be happening.
The other reason for the urgent message is there may be a rush on right now is that February is the start of the new school semester and hagwons have new intakes of students starting at this time.
Lots of flyers and advertising around apartment buildings happens leading into this new semester and directors never know their new student numbers until only a few weeks or days before starting day, and are always reluctant to hire teachers too early in case they won't have enough students to cover the costs.
Some directors start the hire process in anticipation of getting many new students, and then have to cancel the placement when numbers are down.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also think some recruiters like to say "urgent" because they think it will draw more applications. I wonder if it might actually have the opposite effect.

So does this mean that there are now more jobs than teachers?

I don't think so.
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8 years down



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A and B. Mostly A.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew before I came in '02 that Koreans often wait until the very last minute in planning then rush 'bali bali' to get things done with maximum hurried effort. The amazing thing is, they do get things done last minute, however questionable the result.

Knowing the culture is as it is, one can bypass a 'rage against the machine' response (though rant if you feel you must) and go straight to the 'take advantage of the way things are here' by waiting until you have each and every peice of document you need before even beginning to apply for jobs. Get all your ducks in a row. CRC, transcripts, passport photos, all IN HAND (not "coming in the mail") and THEN apply and voila: suddenly you'll notice a lot more response from recruiters and, even better, from employers directly if you are in Korea and can look for jobs the best way: on foot.

It's always worked for me Very Happy most recently in December when I started looking in early December and - despite some bumps in the road over new work visa laws that affected me - the entire work visa process was done with within the month and I was working at my new job before December ended. Expect that. Three to four weeks between application and the start of work is pretty normal for the ESL industry in this country.
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Wiltern



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netz wrote:
Simple Answer:

Koreans are not "big" on long-term planning.

That is all.


Anatomy of an ignorant Dave's poster:

Find something unfavorable about Korea. Then apply it to all "Koreans"
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a generalization, but largely true.

Wiltern wrote:
Netz wrote:
Simple Answer:

Koreans are not "big" on long-term planning.

That is all.


Anatomy of an ignorant Dave's poster:

Find something unfavorable about Korea. Then apply it to all "Koreans"
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody in this thread was talking about ALL, but about what is often done, the typical practices, the CULTURE.

Not every unqualified statement is a statement about each and every person, is not an overgeneralization, but a statement which applies to some degree to the population in question.

Sociology 101.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiltern wrote:
Netz wrote:
Simple Answer:

Koreans are not "big" on long-term planning.

That is all.


Anatomy of an ignorant Dave's poster:

Find something unfavorable about Korea. Then apply it to all "Koreans"


Yet another angry gyopo or Korean sock bent on protecting Korea's honor.

I agree... it's a cultural thing. Happens MOST of the time in schools. To deny this fact would be stupid.

And to the poster who said not many Americans are coming -- that's not true. Many North Americans have applied, but schools can be more choosy. I hear it's much more difficult for people from non-North American countries to get jobs these days, actually. The market is certainly tighter. We're sort of in a hagwon/public hiring time, I believe, as well.
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Wiltern



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
Wiltern wrote:
Netz wrote:
Simple Answer:

Koreans are not "big" on long-term planning.

That is all.


Anatomy of an ignorant Dave's poster:

Find something unfavorable about Korea. Then apply it to all "Koreans"


Yet another angry gyopo or Korean sock bent on protecting Korea's honor.

I agree... it's a cultural thing. Happens MOST of the time in schools. To deny this fact would be stupid.

And to the poster who said not many Americans are coming -- that's not true. Many North Americans have applied, but schools can be more choosy. I hear it's much more difficult for people from non-North American countries to get jobs these days, actually. The market is certainly tighter. We're sort of in a hagwon/public hiring time, I believe, as well.


How about this....for every job ad that says "urgent" or "must hire now," I can show you five that lists mid Feb or later as a start date (meaning, they are planning at least a month in advance).

In fact, go here (ad from today) and count how many list "urgent" and how many list mid-Feb or later as a start date.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=40458
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Olivencia



Joined: 08 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it is an "inordinate" amount of advertisemenst that read "urgent" or something like that.
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