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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerat Reply with quote

(CNN) -- The terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim- Americans has been exaggerated, according to a study released Wednesday by researchers at Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

A small number of Muslim-Americans have undergone radicalization since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, the study found. It compiled a list of 139 individuals it categorized as "Muslim-American terrorism offenders" who had become radicalized in the U.S. in that time -- a rate of 17 per year.

That level is "small compared to other violent crime in America, but not insignificant," according to the study, titled "Anti-Terror Lessons of Muslim-Americans."

In addition, five Americans were arrested last month in Pakistan, and police have said they are confident that they were planning terrorist attacks. A Pakistani court Monday gave police two weeks to prepare their case against the five; authorities have said they plan to prosecute the youths under the country's anti-terrorism act.

But it is the Muslim-American communities themselves who play a large role in keeping the number of radicalized members low through their own practices, according to the study. Leaders and Muslim-American organizations denounce violent acts, for instance, in messages that have weight within communities.

In addition, such communities often self-police -- confronting those who express radical ideology or support for terrorism and communicating concerns about radical individuals to authorities. Some Muslim-Americans have adopted programs for youth to help identify those who react inappropriately to controversial issues so they can undergo counseling and education, the researchers said.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what the stats are in terms of the views of American Muslims. I would wager a large percentage of them are agaisnt the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, though some would support it. That said, I would assume most, especially those born in the US, feel a strong connection to the United States. I have met people who were very hostile to what the US Government is doing in Afghanistan, but would not engage in violence. It's hard for some to have a very balanced approach to such a conflict, IMHO. I would have liked stats to look at.

This is more of a qualitative study than a quantitative one. It's still interesting, but you would want a follow up with a quantitative one to be able to know more about what the people feel and think in depth.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer, I have no doubt at all that academics, focused -- obsessed even -- as they are on race, class, and gender inequities in American society, have produced such a study.

Do you have any stats or academic studies, by the way, on the Muslim-American community's self-policing re: the Fort Hood incident? Indeed, any number of similar incidents? Take University of North Carolina's very own Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, for instance.

And was a Palestinian-American not arrested in a Miami airport today for chanting something about wanting to kill all Jews? Surely there were two or three Muslim-Americans nearby who intervened and moderated him, no?

Clearly, this all derives from conservatives' racism and wild imaginations. Thank you for posting this apolitical and very serious study.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The threat of Islam is the engine that is propelling our mideast policy. Israel could not exist without the moslem world as an enemy, which is why they go to such lengths to maintain opposition with them. Without that opposition, the justification for their existance would vanish.

Not true? Describe Israel in Harmony with its neighbors.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the CDC's stats are accurate http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/homicide.htm and there are 18,000 murders in America in a year, if we're having to dig back to the 2006 incident at UNC where nobody even got killed or seriously injured to talk about the Muslim-American threat to society, then Muslim-Americans must be one of the more well-behaved demographic groups in the USA. Laughing

If you want to talk about an actual murder that happened at UNC, this one happened two years after the incident you're talking about. They killed a grad student up the road at Duke University also. http://hotairbalog.blogspot.com/2008/03/who-is-abhijit-mahato.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Adventurer, I have no doubt at all that academics, focused -- obsessed even -- as they are on race, class, and gender inequities in American society, have produced such a study.

Do you have any stats or academic studies, by the way, on the Muslim-American community's self-policing re: the Fort Hood incident? Indeed, any number of similar incidents? Take University of North Carolina's very own Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, for instance.

And was a Palestinian-American not arrested in a Miami airport today for chanting something about wanting to kill all Jews? Surely there were two or three Muslim-Americans nearby who intervened and moderated him, no?

Clearly, this all derives from conservatives' racism and wild imaginations. Thank you for posting this apolitical and very serious study.



That's a good point. I did mention what you just said that they gave us a qualitative study, not a quantitative study. You're in academia, so you know the difference. You can't generalize the findings so much, but the findngs are still important. Qualitative studies often have merit. It's better to have a mixture of both or a follow-up study.

Here is this from the Pew Research Survey:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-05-22-poll-muslim-americans_N.htm

It shows that at least 47% of Muslims identify themselves as Muslims first and then Christians second. 42% of Christians do so. 62% of Evangelicals identify themselves as Christians first.

[That is not enough information or insight from that poll, but shows a certain pattern along that fits with the qualitative study]
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[Sample of 1,050]

■The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.
■Roughly two-thirds (65%) of adult Muslims in the U.S. were born elsewhere. A relatively large proportion of Muslim immigrants are from Arab countries, but many also come from Pakistan and other South Asian countries. Among native-born Muslims, roughly half are African American (20% of U.S. Muslims overall), many of whom are converts to Islam
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http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trevor wrote:
The threat of Islam is the engine that is propelling our mideast policy. Israel could not exist without the moslem world as an enemy, which is why they go to such lengths to maintain opposition with them. Without that opposition, the justification for their existance would vanish.

Not true? Describe Israel in Harmony with its neighbors.


As some say, the threat from Muslim fanatics is definitely real in terms of the threat from violence and ideological threats. This applies ot a small minority of Muslim Americans. Still, they can cause serious problems.
Some Jewish Americans will hurt America's security by spying for Israel and some Muslim Americans may try to cause physical damage to the U.S., but both groups associate mostly with being American and being connected to America.

The US is not balanced when it comes to Jews and Muslims. Thus, many Muslims abroad consider America to be against Muslims. Now, Israelis consider America's Obama to be their enemy and the US against them.
The United States is in a difficult position when it comes to relations to both groups. And, I would say, that some Evangelicals are involved.

Some people have the idea that most Muslims are wolves in sheep's clothing. The statistics and the behavior of most Muslims in America doesn't really back up that notion.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trevor wrote:
The threat of Islam is the engine that is propelling our mideast policy. Israel could not exist without the moslem world as an enemy, which is why they go to such lengths to maintain opposition with them. Without that opposition, the justification for their existance would vanish.

Not true? Describe Israel in Harmony with its neighbors.



Israel exists because of the holocaust, and it will still exist if the Muslim world makes peace.

As for Muslims living in harmony with the Jews, Islam does not allow this as a possibility.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:

Here is this from the Pew Research Survey:
■The survey shows that by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

So, one out of three do see a conflict between being a Muslim and living in a modern society; and that's supposed to be good.

300,000 U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Bombing
by Robert Spencer
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20882
It is unfortunate that Pew pollsters were not equipped with a follow-up question for those who expressed support for suicide bombing, asking them about the circumstances in which they would consider it justified, and whether they would ever consider it justified in the United States. The pollsters might also have asked those who professed support for Al-Qaeda whether they were working or would be willing to work to further that organization�s goals in the United States --
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guava wrote:
Adventurer wrote:

Here is this from the Pew Research Survey:
■The survey shows that by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

So, one out of three do see a conflict between being a Muslim and living in a modern society; and that's supposed to be good.

300,000 U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Bombing
by Robert Spencer
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20882
It is unfortunate that Pew pollsters were not equipped with a follow-up question for those who expressed support for suicide bombing, asking them about the circumstances in which they would consider it justified, and whether they would ever consider it justified in the United States. The pollsters might also have asked those who professed support for Al-Qaeda whether they were working or would be willing to work to further that organization�s goals in the United States --


When it comes to suicide bombing, people have supported that in the face of Israel with the rationale that Israel is armed to the teeth, has F-21s, Merkava tanks etc.... I don't agree with the rationale provided the suicide bombers hit soldiers, not civilians. And, even then, I would prefer someone face his enemy without committing suicide. Even if you ask about suicide bombing you would have to ask in which conflict and what kind of targets. People won't answer in a uniform way with such questions.

For example, Sunnis in Iraq became horrified with Al Qaeda's methods of blowing themselves up and killing civilians. Jordanians when they lost many of their own turned against Al Qaeda. If people oppose the American presence in Iraq and Afghanistan and consider them occupation, some of that minorty you mentioned would support that.

One would hope that less than 5% support Al Qaeda. This was back in 2009. In Iraq, support of Al Qaeda essentially disappeared and it was reduced significantly in Jordan. It's possible that this 5% figure is less by now. I am all for follow-up questions. The first study I quoted said that
Muslim moderates are speaking out against fanatical elements in America contrary to what the author stated. It's his word against those who said they are saying something about this. There was a protest outside where the Nigerian fellow is being tried and people are condemning what he did.

All good points...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suicide bombers who murder civilians are horrible.

However, suicide bombers who do precision attacks solely on invading soldiers aren't as bad as pilots who drop bombs from thousands of feet in the air, killing and maiming women and children they're ostensibly trying to free. Yet, most Americans call those bombers heroes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Israel exists because of the holocaust, and it will still exist if the Muslim world makes peace.

As for Muslims living in harmony with the Jews, Islam does not allow this as a possibility.


Sorry to make this my first post, but i must corrected your skewed view of history and Islam. Plans and actions leading up to the creation of Israel easily predate the holocaust. That is a fact. As for Islam not allowing Jews to live in harmony with Muslims, this is simply slander. Prior to the creation of Israel across the Middle East Jews and Muslims did live in the same areas. To this very day the largest Jewish population outside of Israel in the Middle East is in.....IRAN. Im always up to hear out the other side of the issue as long as the claims are backed up and factual. Ignorant statements only make your own stance look bad.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were sizeable Jewish populations in the Middle East in the past but now it's become extremely difficult for Jews to live there outside of Israel. Even in Turkey I know of at least one occassion where a synagogue was attacked and there were big protests during the conflict in Gaza in Istanbul and Ankara. Kind of hypocritical really, at least the Palestinians were always allowed to speak their own language, not like the Kurds.

I just read on wikipedia about Iranian Jews and it looks like the situation is largely different for them. I've found the Iranians I have known to be much more reasonble and less fanatical than many other Muslims, especially Arabs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah and there was a sizable Palestinian population in what is now Israel...
People will always use politics to get what they want or impose there views on others, whatever. Politics are Politics. I lived in Lebanon for a long time. Enough to see a war or two first hand and work directly with people affected the most. In reality it's a horrible situation that sadly most people will never fully realize because they can't get passed the politics.

As for Iran being a different situation or less "fanatical" than Arabs. In my experience fanaticism is equally common across the bored, common as in it makes up the vast minority of people. Arab, Muslim "fanaticism" does however constantly receive the most exposure. Ironically the Jews living in Iran are living not in a secular state like Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan or Syria, but rather in an openly Islamic State.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NovaKart wrote:
There were sizeable Jewish populations in the Middle East in the past but now it's become extremely difficult for Jews to live there outside of Israel. Even in Turkey I know of at least one occassion where a synagogue was attacked and there were big protests during the conflict in Gaza in Istanbul and Ankara. Kind of hypocritical really, at least the Palestinians were always allowed to speak their own language, not like the Kurds.

I just read on wikipedia about Iranian Jews and it looks like the situation is largely different for them. I've found the Iranians I have known to be much more reasonble and less fanatical than many other Muslims, especially Arabs.


You leave so much out in this post. One, the Jews, Christians, and Muslims of Iraq lived well together prior to the idea of a Jewish state where a large Arab group consisting of mainly Muslims and some Christians would be ethnic cleansed. In essense, the others felt certain Jews declared war on some who spoke their language and some amongst the population assumed that the Iraqi Jews and other Jews sided with the Jewish leaders who intended to displace people by forming their state.

You said that Palestinians can speak their language while the Kurds cannot. Do the Turks seize land owned by Kurds and give them to Turkic people? No, they do not do that, but Israel does so. Are Kurds restricted from building in their villages even when they are citizens? No, they are not. True, I think it is bad that the Kurdish citizens for a long time couldn't name their children Kurdish names, could not have education in Kurdish, and what not. That's ethnic discrimination. I do not like how Turkey, in the past, has dealt with Kurds, Alevis, Greek Orthodox etc....

As far as Jews in Iran, Mike Wallace said the same thing about Syrian Jews. The Syrian government ensures Syrian Jews are protected. No one ever harms Syrian Jews. They can't simply travel to Israel like Iran lets Iranian Jews do, but they live in peace. Moroccan Jews are rather secure. I would not say the same for Yemenite Jews with its fanatical wahhabi elements creating a mess for the rest of Yemen.

You should place the context of the relations between people. Relations between Arab speaking Jews and Muslims and Christians used to be generally positive. Many Palestinians also have Jewish ancestors and they often hung out with each other until the 20th century. People began to be suspicious of Jews because of the emergence of Israel, which was unfair to the Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews. It wasn't their fault Zionist leaders had a certain nationalist project in mind anymore than it's the fault of all Arabs that Al Qaeda exists.
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